Qatar 2022

Discussion in 'FIFA and Tournaments' started by Nico Limmat, Feb 24, 2014.

  1. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    That's actually ok according to FIFA's virtually non-existent guidelines. Getting something for your association in exchange for your vote is practically the definition of politics. Those favors can be anything that helps soccer development like training centers. The oversight of those funds is the responsibility of the receiving association not Qatar. So basically, Qatar had numerous legal avenues to buy votes and they did not need to stoop to a fund transfer. The allegations make no sense.
     
  2. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Rostam repped this.
  3. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Except Warner wasn't interested in "getting something for his association", but in getting something for Jack Warner. He tried to pull the same stunt with the non-existent Haiti TV rights with the FA.
     
  4. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
  5. druryfire

    druryfire Member

    Sep 10, 2007
    England
    And the weird and annoying thing really. World Soccer produced this article on 17th March, one day after they could of read a response from the Qatari FA..... appears they chose not to, so the Western world get one side of the story once again. What has happened to journalism? Not needed when sitting at a computer.

    http://www.qfa.com.qa/statement-from-the-supreme-committee-for-delivery-legacy/
     
  6. goldy21

    goldy21 Member

    Apr 10, 2007
    http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart...ilding-qatars-world-cup-facilities-180950088/

    Care to offer a counter-argument to this report that 900 workers have died thus far, or is the Smithsonian Magazine just spewing Western propaganda?
     
  7. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
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    I have no clue what point you are trying to make. The article I provided a link to clearly references the response from the Qatari FA:

     
  8. M

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    Feb 18, 2000
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  9. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    That tidbit is proof enough for just scrapping the whole thing and starting the whole bidding process all over again.
    Add in the human rights/ safety issues, along with the Winter World Cup bait and switch nonsense and I think it is only fair to just start at square one and Figure out which nation is best suited to come in and Host.
     
  10. fero

    fero Member

    Oct 31, 2011
    Argentina
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
  11. whitecloud

    whitecloud Member+

    Jan 25, 2009
    Gulf Shores, AL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's not an original source reporting, there's date lag. So, what's your point?
     
  12. druryfire

    druryfire Member

    Sep 10, 2007
    England
    Exactly, were is the journalism? World Soccer pick and choose what to report on and you guys take it as gospel.
     
  13. druryfire

    druryfire Member

    Sep 10, 2007
    England
    No, I don't want to make a counter argument, I just post news from Western and Arab media so that you get both sides of the coin. That's all. It's not an argument, it's a reference.
     
  14. M

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    Feb 18, 2000
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    The referenced World Soccer report contains both information about the ITUC report on worker conditions and the response to it of the Qatari " Supreme Committee for Delivery & Legacy". That's hardly "picking and choosing" as you phrase it.

    Why not discuss the issue instead of resorting to a "shoot the messenger" approach?
     
  15. druryfire

    druryfire Member

    Sep 10, 2007
    England
    Discuss what?
    Discuss that Western media who want the world cup taken away from Qatar slate Qatar at every opportunity? Or discuss the Qatari/Arab media who say it has nothing to do with the Qatari world cup in which we are discussing?

    Put it this way. Rape has/was/is on the news about India but that doesn't mean in the Indian football thread we discuss that. Politics in Thailand is all over the place, but again, that doesn't mean it's brought up.

    End of day, Qatari FA say it's not happening under their remit but you want to discuss deaths in Qatar anyway? This has nothing to do with Organising committee.
     
  16. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
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    The issue I raised is of worker conditions in Qatar as covered in the ITUC report. Even FIFA acknowledges some responsibility in this:

    http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/organisation/bodies/news/newsid=2301310/index.html
     
  17. druryfire

    druryfire Member

    Sep 10, 2007
    England
    Worker conditions in Qatar?
    So the Qatari World Cup in 2022 all goes on worker conditions in Qatar (which isn't directly related to Qatari WC) is a discussion point here? I don't think it is.

    You could have he same in every country for every world cup, for every domestic championship.

    The world isn't run on equal terms, some people are under paid, some live in poor conditions, but you could argue the poor guys benefit the rich. The worker conditions you discuss will be none Qatari's right? Which isn't a surprise in such a small populated country, but surely they get better treated than they do at their home country? Qatar give them a chance to work and send money home, in their own country they don't work, do you not see this point of view?

    Same as sweatshops in Bangladesh, they make YOUR clothes, but you don't demand change which is the one big difference. You will buy their stuff, but you don't need to buy Qatar WC. You have a choice.
     
  18. M

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    Feb 18, 2000
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    FIFA begs to differ as does the moderator for this thread.

    Amnesty International weighs in:

    http://www.amnesty.org/en/for-media...address-qatar-migrant-workers-rights-2014-03-
     
  19. druryfire

    druryfire Member

    Sep 10, 2007
    England
    It beggers belief really that on a football forum all you want to discuss is workers rights.
    Yes, maybe a year before the world cup, but if your that interested in workers rights, then your doing it in the wrong place!

    And I guess you still purchase items from places your campaigning against!!
     
  20. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
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    Not according to the moderator of this thread:

    Does this comment have something to do with Qatar '22?
     
  21. whitecloud

    whitecloud Member+

    Jan 25, 2009
    Gulf Shores, AL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    By 1 year before the World Cup over 7000 workers will have already died building infrastructure and venues for the Cup.

    And there are countless workers' rights groups working around the clock in Bangladesh and many other countries. Qatar, on the other hand, has curtailed those groups and acted like they are an affront at every step of the process.
     
  22. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Yes, worker conditions directly related to the Qatar 2022 infrastructure is very much in scope for this discussion.

    Bangladesh textile sweatshop conditions (although equally important) are not.

    Now play nice children.
     
  23. druryfire

    druryfire Member

    Sep 10, 2007
    England
    This is my whole point. Being debated at the moment is worker conditions in Qatar in General, these aren't linked to the World Cup so it's pointless discussing a non WC issue in a WC thread
     
  24. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    #49 Nico Limmat, Mar 22, 2014
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2014
    Well, considering all the additional infrastructure (outside stadiums) that has been triggered by Qatar 2022 such as roads and hotels it's a bit difficult to draw the line here. Quite a bit of the general infrastructure for the tournament is already under construction. All the more reason to quickly take a final decision on Qatar 2022. Worker conditions may improve marginally (especially safety and way of salary credit) but don't expect Qatar to drastically change its employment laws. Can it be held in Summer? Is Winter a definite instead? It wouldn't be fair to Qatar to remove it years into construction unless bribery and corruption are confirmed during the bidding process. But really, how long is that investigation supposed to last by the Ethics Committee. Get on with it already and deliver your final verdict.

    Rumor is the whole winter decision is now also supposed to drag into 2015.
     
  25. goldy21

    goldy21 Member

    Apr 10, 2007
    You're just choosing to ignore what we're posting, which are directly related to the World Cup. Like the article I linked, for example, which says 900 workers have already died building World Cup-related infrastructure and many more will die building the stadiums and other World Cup projects. How much more of a World Cup link do you want?
     

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