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Discussion in 'FIFA and Tournaments' started by Nico Limmat, Feb 24, 2014.

  1. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    Even if the region in general hasn't been super safe in a very long time, I don't think Qatar specifically has any instability issues or has seen an increase in danger levels, but correct me if I'm wrong. Having your plane shot down is extremely unlikely, not to mention that it could just as easily happen if you're flying over the middle-east as opposed to actually visiting the mid-east.
     
  2. glennaldo_sf

    glennaldo_sf Member+

    Deportivo Wanka, Semen Padang, Dinamo Bender, Fotballaget Fart
    United States
    Nov 25, 2004
    Doha, Qatar
    Club:
    FL Fart Vang Hedmark
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  3. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wikipedia says New Zealand will host the OFC Nations Cup, and it won't be until September.
     
  4. dinamo_zagreb

    dinamo_zagreb Member+

    Jun 27, 2010
    San Jose, CA / Zagreb, Croatia
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
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  5. vancity eagle

    vancity eagle Member+

    Apr 6, 2006

    Draw results:
    Group A: Algeria, Burkina Faso, Niger, Djibouti
    Group B: Tunisia, Zambia, Mauritania, Equatorial Guinea
    Group C: Nigeria, Cape Verde Islands, Central African Republic, Liberia
    Group D: Cameroon, Côte d'Ivoire, Mozambique, Malawi
    Group E: Mali, Uganda, Kenya, Rwanda
    Group F: Egypt, Gabon, Libya, Angola
    Group G: Ghana, South Africa, Zimbabwe, Ethiopia
    Group H: Senegal, Congo, Namibia, Togo
    Group I: Morocco, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Sudan
    Group J: Congo DR, Benin, Madagascar, Tanzania



    groups to watch I would say

    Group D : matchup between Cameroon and CIV

    Group F : Gabon has outside chance to beat Egypt

    Group B : If Zambia's youth generation gels they could upset Tunisia

    Group G : Ghana should beat South Africa but you never know
     
  6. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    OFC will eliminate three teams in March.



    According to Wikipedia, CAF postponed their first two WCQs matchdays because the 2021 Africa Cup of Nations was moved from summer to winter (in the northern hemisphere, it will be in January and/or February), but the only WCQ matchdays moved are in 2020, so I don't know why one affected the other. CAF's Group Stage was supposed to start in March, but it will start over half a year later in October. Matchday 2, which was supposed to in June, was postponed to November. Matchdays 3 through 6 were left alone, with 3 and 4 in March 2021, 5 in late August or early September 2021, and 6 in October 2021. We now have to wait longer for the groups to start, but it will be a year and five weeks from Matchday 1 to Matchday 6 rather than a much longer time from start to end. AFC, CONMEBOL, and OFC are the only confederations with WCQs in March and June.
     
  7. Every Four Years

    May 16, 2015
    Johns Creek, Georgia
    Nat'l Team:
    India
    Probably to finish AFCON qualifying earlier than originally planned due to the moving up of the date?
     
  8. JLSA

    JLSA Member

    Nov 11, 2003
    The article doesn't make it abundantly clear - but that is for OFC2020 only. There is a stuff.nz article that notes that World Cup qualifying starts with "regional matches" in September.

    J
     
  9. jesta

    jesta Member

    Feb 9, 2014
  10. jagum

    jagum Member

    Montreal Impact
    Venezuela
    Jun 20, 2007
    Panama City, Panama
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    Venezuela
    How about the CAF third round? Are they going to make a new draw? or just play Winner A vs Winner B, Winner C vs Winner D etc ?
     
  11. JLSA

    JLSA Member

    Nov 11, 2003
    Last time they used this format (2014) it was a later - seeded - draw.

    J
     
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  12. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A file from FIFA says OFC will have Round 1 in September, October, and November, Round 2 in June 2021, and Round 3 in September 2021. That is under the heading "current estimations," and it's months old. I'm not saying it's wrong, but it's not guaranteed to be right. If there are three rounds, my guess is a group stage this year that advances four teams, with semifinals in June 2021 and a final in September 2021 to send the winner to the interconfederational playoff.
     
  13. JLSA

    JLSA Member

    Nov 11, 2003
    The NZ article sort of implied something like that for the start. Regardless, no one’s getting eliminated in March

    J
     
  14. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
  15. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Qatar can, and will! They're out here playing Sim City w/unlimited money :ROFLMAO:
     
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  16. AlbertCamus

    AlbertCamus Member+

    Colorado Rapids
    Sep 2, 2005
    Colorado, USA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    I believe for a Super Bowl in St. Petersburgh, FL (Florida Panthers?) they docked cruise ships for extra hotel space.

    "Currently, hotel stay packages for the 2022 World Cup in Qatar range from $1,500 per night to over $3,000 per night, according to sports travel websites."

    That is out of my price range.

    Also from article, it says the hotel can be moved to other costal locations. Maybe St. Pete can have another Super Bowl.
     
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  17. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    The Super Bowl in Jacksonville between the Patriots and Eagles.
    A few cruise ships is one thing.
    Hundreds of floating Hotel rooms in the Persian Gulf????
    Different beast.
     
  18. PabloSanDiego

    PabloSanDiego Member+

    West Ham United
    United States
    Jan 18, 2014
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    that's crazy, even if they come down by 75% that's beyond what I'm willing to pay. I thought the Tokyo Olympics were bad and the prices were sky high at first but at least now it's possible to get decent rooms in the $300/night range, which is still pricey. And these are not luxury hotels by any stretch.

    If that's truly going to be the price point for lodging then it will have a serious impact on attendance, especially considering all the other reasons people have for not really wanting to go.
     
  19. PabloSanDiego

    PabloSanDiego Member+

    West Ham United
    United States
    Jan 18, 2014
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just read the article and did some math. It says Qatar now has about 27,000 hotel rooms, but the WC “requires a minimum 60,000 hotel rooms”.

    27,000 + 1,616 = 28,616; far short of 60K! It’s not even 5% of the way to covering the shortfall.

    Not sure how many other hotels are coming on line, but after building these 16 floaters, they will still need another 311 of them to get to 60,000 rooms. This bad joke just gets worse and worse.

    And what does “a price point on the reasonable end of expensive World Cup stays” mean? In the $1500-$2000 per night range? To sleep on a barge.
     
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  20. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    In the Technical report that no one who voted read Qatar got a medium risk on hotel accommodation as they had the required rooms under contract even though the majority didn't exist at the time.
     
  21. AlbertCamus

    AlbertCamus Member+

    Colorado Rapids
    Sep 2, 2005
    Colorado, USA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    I wonder what the numbers of beds comparison is; but yeah, I agree with your point that Qatar is a ridiculous venue. Also, at least cruise ships came with staff, and, presumably went right back to their regular service as soon as the guests left. These hotels will float around until.. well what really? Can they become affordable housing somewhere? Can they even cross oceans, or do they just float around the Persian Golf. Seems like a sci-phi novel.
     
  22. glennaldo_sf

    glennaldo_sf Member+

    Deportivo Wanka, Semen Padang, Dinamo Bender, Fotballaget Fart
    United States
    Nov 25, 2004
    Doha, Qatar
    Club:
    FL Fart Vang Hedmark
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    $1500-2000 a night? We had someone come over to do a survey about the World Cup a couple of months ago and he asked people were interested in renting rooms out for the world cup. I said not really, but at that price - huh, maybe will definitely reconsider....
     
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  23. dinamo_zagreb

    dinamo_zagreb Member+

    Jun 27, 2010
    San Jose, CA / Zagreb, Croatia
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    FIFA should pay traveling fans' accommodation.
     
  24. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Naw, there's an easier & cheaper solution:

    Hand out match tickets to the (surviving) Nepalese, Indian and Bangladeshi workers to fill up the stadia :cautious:

    Although their overseers would absolutely resort to "paying" them in WC tickets rather than actual money :rolleyes:
     
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  25. PabloSanDiego

    PabloSanDiego Member+

    West Ham United
    United States
    Jan 18, 2014
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    if these lodging prices hold, then filling the stadiums with local workers on hugely discounted or free tickets is a real possibility. Neither FIFA or Qatar wants the embarrassment of empty seats at a World Cup.
     

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