Prosecutor assassinated in Argentina

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  1. superdave

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    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/argentinian-prosecutor-murder-warrant-president

    This seems like a pretty big deal. A prosecutor was investigating President Kirchner for a corrupt deal with Iran involving a bombing in 1994 of a Jewish center in Argentina. The prosecutor was found shot dead in his apartment of an apparent suicide. Further investigation quickly revealed that he was in fact murdered. Later it was found that he had drafted an arrest warrant for the president.

    @Moishe @argentine soccer fan thoughts?
     
  2. argentine soccer fan

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    Yeah, I've been following it. It has to do with the investigation/coverup of the terrorist attack on the Jewish community center that killed 85 people back in the 90s and was linked to Iran. Presumably government figures including the president were covering up for Iranian officials suspected of involvement. The prosecutor, Alberto Nisman, issued a complaint against Cristina Kirchner and Foreign minister Hector Timmerman for their role, and then apparently he was murdered. There are so many layers to the story that it's difficult to comment on it.

    It's hard to have any hope for justice in Argentina, given our corrupt institutions, but the story is getting attention, so I hope that the murder backfires and brings the spotlight to the investigation he was conducting on the matter.
     
  3. Waliatiger

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    That was a false flag attack
     
  4. argentine soccer fan

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    What?

    Are you talking about the death of Nisman or the AMIA bombing?
     
  5. JBigjake

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    He's probably referring to the AMIA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMIA_bombing
    The easiest question for rational people is, "Would Israel kill & injure hundreds of Argentines, many of them Jewish?
     
  6. argentine soccer fan

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    Yeah, if he refers to the AMIA bombing, I'd love to hear his evidence. I suppose it was done by the same people who carried out the attacks of September 11 in the US and framed Bin Laden.
     
  7. Waliatiger

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    AMIA bombing. The real question is what did the prosecutor have to gain by digging into information he wasn't or shouldn't have privy to and who killed him. How high does this go?
     
  8. argentine soccer fan

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    Nisman was killed most likely by a paramilitary group that supports and protects Cristina and her cronies. Probably without her knowledge, not that it makes a difference. That is how business is conducted in Argentina.

    There is overwhelming evidence pointing to the conclusion that the AMIA bombing was carried out by Hezbollah and sponsored by the Iranian government.
     
  9. Iranian Monitor

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    :rolleyes:

    https://consortiumnews.com/2015/02/07/a-rush-to-judgment-in-argentine-bomb-case/

    A Rush to Judgment in Argentine Bomb Case?


    The mysterious death of an Argentine prosecutor has whipped up new suspicions around the case of who bombed the Asociación Mutual Israelita Argentina (AMIA) in 1994 and whether there was an official cover-up, but the evidence on both counts remains dubious or discredited, says Gareth Porter.
    ...
    This writer’s investigation of the case over several months, which included interviews with U.S. diplomats who had served in the Embassy in Buenos Aires in the years following the AMIA bombing as well as with the FBI official detailed to work on the case in 1996-97, concluded that the Argentine investigators never found any evidence of Iranian involvement.
     
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  10. ceezmad

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  11. Waliatiger

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    Not true James Cheek American ambassador at the time of the bombing said the US found no evidence or smoking gun that implicated Iran or Hezbollah in the attack. Most of the evidence Argentinian and Israelis authorities gathered was from an Iranian defector who later proved to be false (Manoucher Moatamer).

    It seems strange to be that the president of Argentina still has paramilitaries willingly and able to kill political opponents I thought Argentina has come a far way since the junta I guess not.
     
  12. Waliatiger

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    Yup way too fishy.
     
  13. argentine soccer fan

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    I don't expect you to be informed, since even in Argentina there is a lot of false information, let alone in the international media.

    I don't want to dig deeply into this now, I've discussed it ad-nauseam with other Argentines, it's our 9/11, so it creates a lot of feelings. But just briefly, there was a well known smuggling operation used by Hezbollah to bring explosives into the country, it is known how they were brought in. There was a network in Buenos Aires, and it is known in what neighborhood of the city it was and how it operated. And it is known that there was involvement and recruitment from individuals connected to the Iranian Embassy. Everything has been covered up and hushed up, but it is well known at the street level by many people, because so many people were involved.

    And it was not just the AMIA bombing but other terrorist attacks, including the one on Israel's embassy in 92 that killed 29 people and wounded hundreds of others, and was carried out by a suicide bomber. Hezbollah did take credit for that one, they even released video and info that incriminated them, and there are many similarities between that particular attack and the one on AMIA.

    By telling me that most of the information came from one source, you are telling me that you don't know much about the subject.

    Indeed. The paramilitary thugs and murderers were of course used by the Peronists long before the military Junta usurped power and committed their well publicized attrocities, and the Peronists still use them today. And no, we haven't come a long way since the time of Evita and Juan Peron. I mean, Argentina is such an awesome country in many ways, but it is rotten to the core, why do you think people like me get the hell out?

    Look, I'm not buying everything that Nisman claimed either, or the Jewish Defense League or anybody else. As I said in my first post, there are many layers to this story. This being Argentina, everybody has their motivations and agenda and nothing is what it seems, and I'm not going to claim that I know what happened. I am sure there are reasons why Nisman was killed that go way beyond what we know and what is being reported. Most Argentines don't buy the suicide story, it looked like a sophisticated professional job. Opinions about the supposed culprits range from Hezbollah or Iran to the Jews or the CIA. Knowing Argentina and using occam's razor, the most logical explanation is that he was killed by Cristina's paramilitary groups, and that's why I offered that opinion. But I don't know.

    Having said that, after following the story for many years, and knowing the people I know in Buenos Aires -which I'm not going to go into in detail, I certainly want no personal involvement in this, and I don't know anything that most people in my neighborhood don't know as well- I have no doubt that Hezbollah was responsible for the AMIA attack. It was not a false flag attack.
     
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  14. Waliatiger

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    Your on the ground so your closer to the situation but I don't see the motive for Iran and Hezobollah committed such a brazen attack especially after the 92 bombing and especially considering Isreali retaliation if a smoking gun was ever proved. Btw why would the argentines goverment cover it up why would they care if Iran or Hezobollah took the fall and why go so far as kill the prosecutor which would obvioulsy set off alarm bells. Like you said there are way too many layers, motives and actors to truly know what happen and all the reporting on this seems purposefully contradictory. Now the more intersting thing to me was the fact you said that Peronists and paramilitary thugs still operate on the behave of the president and still committ extrajudicial murders. I did not know that political violence to take out or silence enemies still occured frequently in Argentina. Prehaps it's is more low level now and this case has brought it to the attention of outsiders like myself but was well known to Argentines like yourself. What do you think is the next step in this saga.......
     
  15. argentine soccer fan

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    Without going into detail, remember that Argentina for all its problems is a large country with a large economy, with lots of money and opportunities, plenty of ties and dealings and special interests as they interact with other large economies like Iran, Israel and Arab nations.

    Argentina also has a large Arab community, a large Persian community, a large Jewish community and while most are good people, there are radicals, there are extremists and there are agendas based on hatred as well as opportunism. Don't expect all that happens to be rational.

    Back in the 90s when all these things happened, there was a lot going on between Israel, the Palestinians, as well as Iran and the Arab nations. And don't forget that at the time in Argentina we had a Syrian president. Today there are still plenty of large interests and dealings involving money and power, between Argentina and Iran, Argentina and Israel, as well as the Arab nations. And of course the president and the Peronists are in the middle of it, and so is the opposition.

    So, needless to say, it is a very complex issue. Argentina is not like the US, where it's black and white us against them and so everybody rallied after 9/11 and wanted to go after the bad guys -real ones or presumed. In Argentina the opinions about the Middle East are much more complex. Different groups have their own different black and whites. I think those who want things hushed up will continue to try to hush it up, and those who want to stir things up will continue to try to stir it up, and of course the real victims (families and community) are still there, still loud, still demanding justice.

    The murder of Nisman was certainly a warning for some, but it can also turn into a rallying cry, so we'll have to wait and see what happens.
     
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  16. yasik19

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    Not going to claim some impartiality of the source, but in the book "Spies Against Armageddon" (http://www.amazon.com/Spies-Against-Armageddon-Israels-Updated/dp/0985437898), there is a whole chapter dedicated to this bombing. Needless to say, according to Israeli intelligence, be it Mossad, Aman (unit 504), Shin Bet, as well, as CIA and SIDE and/or combination of all three did prove it was MOIS officers working with Hezbollah. Whether it was still due to Musawi's assassination (though some claim the 92 bombing was the revenge). Not going to go into who and what roles were played by Dirani, Mugniyeh, or Nahara, but needless to say, there was a lot of evidence pointing to Hebollah.
     
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  18. Waliatiger

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    Israel, Mossad and Israeli provocateurs and agents worldwide are known to commit false flag operations as a pretext to go after there enemies and to generate sympathy for there nation at large. The AMIA bombings are a prefect example of that.
     
  19. yasik19

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    Jesus dude....you literally ruin every single thread you post in with the most asinine drabble. Are you on some mission to ******** up as many threads as possible? Just asking....
     
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  20. JBigjake

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    Is there even a need to ask?
     
  21. Waliatiger

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    truth hurts mr.AIPAC

    Shalom.
     
  22. argentine soccer fan

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    Maybe you have proof of false flags operations by Mossad. If so, then bring it. But I'm sure you don't have it for the AMIA attack because you are 100 percent wrong on that one. What happened in Buenos Aires is well known, so by saying what you just said you are undermining your credibility.
     
  23. Waliatiger

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    You are from Argentina and Bueno Aires so you have your ear to the ground so I won't argue with that. We will just agree to disagree. Yet Mossad is well known for there false flags the Lavon Affair http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair and the list goes on most are covert history and the news and how it's presented is not how it seems.
     
  24. song219

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    Maybe you should cite something less than 60 years old as evidence. Being a Real Madrid fan means you are also a Fascist or more correctly a Francoist.
     
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  25. Waliatiger

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    Evidence is evidence lol. Most false flag operations are kept covert, classified and are black ops. Mossad is a great intelligence agency because of that. Presenting one thing when it's another. I support Arsenal as well as RM and it has nothing to do with politics lol.
     

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