Pro/Anti Gun folks what do you think

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by MeridianFC, Jul 15, 2004.

  1. afgrijselijkheid

    Dec 29, 2002
    mokum
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    just ridiculous
     
  2. Letterman

    Letterman New Member

    May 3, 2004
    Upstate NY
    Personally I think concealed is better. Nobody's going to try to grab it that way.
     
  3. Daksims

    Daksims New Member

    Jun 27, 2001
    Colorado
    I'd wear my 9 on my hip if I could.
     
  4. obie

    obie New Member

    Nov 18, 1998
    NY, NY
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's legal, fine - but it's intimidating and they know it. They're just being assholes, which given that it's Virginia is probably par for the course.
     
  5. GringoTex

    GringoTex Member

    Aug 22, 2001
    1301 miles de Texas
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    I was very disappointed when Texas went to conceal-carry. If you're going to carry, no need to hide it.
     
  6. Footer Phooter

    Jul 23, 2000
    Falls Church, VA
    Part of the problem is, in many parts of the state openly carrying a pistol wouldn't alarm people. In Fairfax County, where they filed the story, it certainly would. Also, they serve alcohol at Champps. I think it's illegal to be armed in an establishment that serves alcohol.
     
  7. Roel

    Roel Member

    Jan 15, 2000
    Santa Cruz mountains
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Alcohol and guns. What a great mix! I'm sure folks use both responsibly.
     
  8. DJPoopypants

    DJPoopypants New Member

    Checking old daily show clips on their website yesterday was a great correspondent interview in Arizona(?) where some state senator tried to get rid of the "no guns in bars" law.

    The interviewer talked to the owner of a biker bar about it.

    Bar Owner "well, how would you feel if I smashed a bottle over your head, or would you rather me shoot you between the eyes?"

    Interviewer "well, if you hit me with a bottle I'd call you a **********"

    the segment ended with a guy on a Harley chasing the interviewer down the street.

    Great comedy - definitely worth watching.
     
  9. xbujinkan

    xbujinkan New Member

    Aug 22, 2001
    Elsewhere
    2002: 9,369 murders by firearm in the USA.
    2002: 96 murders by firearm in the UK.


    "But there's no connection; and you'd be a fool and a Communist to make one. There's no connection between having a gun and shooting someone with it, and NOT having a gun and NOT shooting someone..."

    - Bill Hicks
     
  10. Barbara

    Barbara BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 29, 2000
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What are the populations of the USA & the UK?
     
  11. MeridianFC

    MeridianFC Member

    Jul 26, 1999
    Washington, DC USA
    From the CIA World Fact Book:

    UK = 60,270,708 (July 2004 est.)
    US = 293,027,571 (July 2004 est.)

    Making the population of the US appx 4.87X as big.
     
  12. Barbara

    Barbara BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 29, 2000
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    From the CIA World Factbook....

    USA 293,027,571
    UK 60,270,708



    2002: 9,369 murders by firearm in the USA. .00320%
    2002: 96 murders by firearm in the UK. .00016%

    So your point is still valid - there are 20 times more murders using guns in the US than the UK on a per capita basis. But your numbers are misleading by themselves.
     
  13. Revolt

    Revolt Member+

    Jun 16, 1999
    Davis, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I have a few comments:

    First of all, knowing this, I'll try to avoid traveling to Virginia from now on. Call it a personal boycott, if you will. I'm not sure what creeps me out more: concealed weapons or out in the open.

    Second comment is WRT Bowling For Columbine. If folks - pro- and anti-hand gun want to debate gun murders, lets not forget Canada. Apparently (according to MM), Canadians are armed to the teeth - just like Americans. Yet Canadians don't go around killing each other with guns. Discuss, please.

    Third, of all the things that get me fired up most about guns. semi-automatic weapon regulations are probably at the top of the list. Bush has flip-flopped on this issue proving that he is firmly in the pocket of the NRA and bolstering his conservative street cred immensely. However, for a guy who LOST the popular vote and promised to be a 'uniter, not a divider,' Bush sure has taken a hard right turn since 2000.

    Finally, I wish that SCOTUS would finally and once and for all issue a ruling on the 2nd Amendment, and puts the pro-gun nutheads back in their place (under rocks where they belong). And before you commie positatus-types start shooting verbal rounds at me, please provide references to major court decisions that affirm an individual's right to carry, oh say, machine guns. Or hand guns, if you will.
     
  14. Chris M.

    Chris M. Member+

    Jan 18, 2002
    Chicago
    Maybe. But, you can certainly be a much bigger pu$$y with a gun. I'm guessing that if John Lee Malvo couldn't hide in a trunk with a rifle, he probably isn't walking up to strangers to battle them nose to nose.

    Also, if a little kid finds his dad's hunting knife, the chances are pretty low that the knife will go off and kill his little sister across the room.

    And of course, this won't happen:

    http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyID=5658692



    LONDON (Reuters) - A British man who accidentally shot himself in the testicles after drinking 15 pints of beer was jailed for five years on Tuesday for possessing an illegal firearm, a court spokesman said.

    David Walker, 28, was arguing with a friend at a pub in South Yorkshire, northern England, when he went home to get his sawed-off shotgun, which he jammed into his trousers.

    But as he walked back to the pub, the gun went off, blasting pellets into his testicles. Doctors later removed what remained of his testicles during emergency surgery.

    Walker admitted possessing a prohibited weapon at a hearing in June at the court in Sheffield.


    :D
     
  15. Matrim55

    Matrim55 Member+

    Aug 14, 2000
    Berkeley
    Club:
    Connecticut
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    FWIW, the Bigsoccer/bigsoccer login didn't work for me with the post. Does anyone know if it's changed?
     
  16. GringoTex

    GringoTex Member

    Aug 22, 2001
    1301 miles de Texas
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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    Bolivia
  17. GringoTex

    GringoTex Member

    Aug 22, 2001
    1301 miles de Texas
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    In rural areas where gun ownership are the highest, gun crime rates are the lowest.

    Outlaw guns in the city and leave responsible people alone.
     
  18. Smiley321

    Smiley321 Member

    Apr 21, 2002
    Concord, Ca
    Yes, what is the number of killings by injuns with pointed sticks these days?

    It's probably lower in the UK, their injuns are more docile
     
  19. speedcake

    speedcake Member

    Dec 2, 1999
    Tampa
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    uh oh
     
  20. AFCA

    AFCA Member

    Jul 16, 2002
    X X X rated
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    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    I'm pretty sure it doesn't make the figure a lot better.

    I dunno what they've been smoking at the UN but you gotta be real damned high to believe that!!!

    The figures might be correct, but the it would probably have more to do with the fact that people in certain countries (South Africa, Russia) don't bother going to the police anymore. Anyway, murder rates in South African cities and the city of Moscow are absolutely dazzling. Except for some South American slums I don't think you'll find an equal anywhere.

    The easier guns are available the sooner they'll be used. Simple statistics. There's a lot of factors that decide how, what, etc... but it doesn't change the fact that less guns around = less people get shot.
     
  21. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    Out of curiosity, where are you getting these numbers on Russia from? I'd be delighted to know.
     
  22. Chris M.

    Chris M. Member+

    Jan 18, 2002
    Chicago
    My main point was the first one. Would you consider randomly assassinating people from the trunk of a car with a rifle murder?

    The second point was thrown in because I find it gut wrenching everytime a kid accidentally kills him or herself or another kid, regardless of whether it is a hand gun or shotgun/rifle. You are correct that it is more commen with hand guns, but frankly, I wasn't concerned with stats as one is a tragedy.

    The third part of the post was for humor purposes, just in case you missed. You see, the dub@ss blew off his own testies with a shotgun tucked in his pants. ;)
     
  23. GringoTex

    GringoTex Member

    Aug 22, 2001
    1301 miles de Texas
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    England has the highest among "first world" countries.

    I agree. But banning guns in the US won't lower gun possession rates. Gun violence, as with any crime, goes hand in hand with poverty and social breakdown. It's a sympton- not the disease.
     
  24. btousley

    btousley New Member

    Jul 12, 1999
    can't resist - guess he just didn't have the balls defend himself.
     

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