Premier League / First Division ratings

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  1. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
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    Here is a 1991/92 listing from just before Christmas, so mid-season, with more players listed than in the final end of season one I'd found
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  2. PDG1978

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    Mar 8, 2009
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    Nottingham Forest FC
    Here is an update from early February 79/80, so a bit after the half-way point - Ardiles isn't on the leaderboard among forwards or midfielders either at this point interestingly
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  3. PDG1978

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    Mar 8, 2009
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    Nottingham Forest FC
    85/86 mid-season ratings from The People too
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  4. PDG1978

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    Mar 8, 2009
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    Nottingham Forest FC
    The page isn't mega interesting so I won't paste it in the thread, but I noticed that the Aberdeen Evening Express reported that when Dalglish won the Football Writers Award for 82/83 Robson was 2nd, Souness 3rd and Rush 4th (The Liverpool Echo reported exactly the same too, with the extra info that Dalglish got over 50% of the votes).

    The PFA top 3s that season were apparently Dalglish-Robson-Rush for the main award and Rush-Whiteside-Mabbutt for the Young Player award.

    Maybe I'll be able to find similar info for some other seasons another day.
     
  5. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
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    Nottingham Forest FC
    I've seen another one too today actually - for 1980 the PFA award top 6 was McDermott-Dalglish-Johnson (like was posted earlier in the thread maybe) in the top 3, then the other nominees Ardiles, Hoddle and Phil Boyer of Southampton.
     
  6. PDG1978

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    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Another one I've noticed today is that Glenn Hoddle and Ian Rush were the joint runners-up in voting for the FWA Player of the Year of 1986/87 (Clive Allen, the winner getting exactly 50% of the votes).

    Hoddle and Rush were second and third for PFA Player of the Year award, behind Allen, also, while Rocastle and Cottee were the 2nd and 3rd in the voting for PFA Young Player that time, behind Adams.


    For the 1981/82 Football Writers Award Perryman finished just ahead of Hoddle and Keegan apparently in the closest vote (at that point) ever, with Souness, Rush, Dalglish, Brazil, Clemence and Ardiles receiving a good amount of votes too.

    There was more variation between the two awards that season, with Keegan winning the PFA award ahead of Cyrille Regis and Trevor Francis (Souness was in the final 6 but I don't know about who else was - I saw the report from the Liverpool Echo). Behind Steve Moran in the voting for PFA Young Player of the Year came Liverpool players Whelan and Rush.


    I'll sign off for today for sure now, but the final thing I can add is the PFA shortlist from 1983/84:
    PFA Player of the Year - Ian Rush (who won it), Souness, Robson, Dalglish, Lawrenson, Wilkins
    PFA Young Player of the Year - Paul Walsh (who won it), Tony Cottee, Mike Duxbury, Steve Hodge, Steve Nicol, Danny Wallace.
     
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  7. Pavlin Arnaudov

    Juventus
    Bulgaria
    Oct 21, 2017
    @PDG1978
    SUPER!
    You can search for other charts, from the 70s or 60s, possibly!
     
  8. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Yeah possibly, but I'm not sure there will be any more of those end of season charts as I tried when I had the previous subscription. I have plenty of time to find the best pages I can though. I wonder whether in 1958/59 they didn't keep track of the average grades but just published the marks out of 10 for each game (seems like it maybe).

    Maybe I'll be able to find some info about the Football Writers Player of the Year award shortlists in those 60s and 70s years too though for example. We do already have this info, which might correspond to how the top of the ratings might have looked perhaps (it did pretty well for 1959/60 and 1960/61 anyway, so probably would to some extent for other seasons too):
    https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/e...n-selections-1969-2012.1985741/#post-28133529
    And this, as a predecessor to the FWA Team of the Year (I'm also looking to see if I can find some of those btw, but haven't spotted anyway yet, just some shortlists, top 3s etc that I posted yesterday - the Team of the Year doesn't seem to be so publicised by the FWA so maybe wasn't published routinely in newspapers either)
    https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/1969-70-british-team-of-the-season.1794502/
    https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/team-of-the-season-1970-1980-division-one.1820482/
     
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  9. PDG1978

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    Mar 8, 2009
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    Nottingham Forest FC
    In 1988/89 The Sunday Mirror was running a competition where people had to guess who would be the 1-2-3 in the FWA Player of the Year voting, giving a shortlist of 10 players (they must have known pretty much how the voting was going) - the players being Steve Nicol who ended up winning the award of course, plus Graham Roberts, Mike Phelan, Peter Beardsley, Nigel Clough, Peter Shilton, Mark Hughes, Ronnie Whelan and Bryan Robson. Apparently, as reported by the Newcastle Evening Chronicle and the Liverpool Echo, Robson came second in the end, and Shilton third.

    I found the PFA shortlists for that 1988/89 season too:
    PFA Player of the Year - Hughes (who won it), Nicol, Andy Townsend, Robson, Brian McClair, Alan Smith and Chris Waddle (7 players that time)
    PFA Young Player of the Year - Paul Merson (who won it), Clough, Terry Wilson, David Rocastle, Paul Ince, Lee Sharpe
     
  10. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    I know it's already in the internet age, but I'm not sure how known the top 3s for PFA Player of the Year are from 1994/95 so here they are:
    PFA Player of the Year - 1 Shearer, 2 Le Tissier, 3 Klinsmann
    PFA Young Player of the Year - 1 Fowler, 2 Barmby, 3 Sutton

    The other nominations for the PFA Player of the Year were Sherwood, Ince and Cantona, and for the Young Player award Gallen, McManaman and Redknapp

    Shearer, and Colin Hendry, were 2nd and 3rd for the FWA award apparently, behind Klinsmann.
     
  11. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    For the following 1995/96 season I can see that Les Ferdinand is reported to have won the PFA award ahead of Shearer and David Ginola, and Fowler (the Young Player of the Year again), Beardsley and Steve Stone were on the final shortlist.

    For the FWA award all the reports just seem to reveal the top 3, and that Cantona with 36% of the vote pipped Gullit, with Fowler in 3rd. One report (from before the results were announced) mentioned Ginola and Steve Bruce as having been in contention.
     
  12. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
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    Nottingham Forest FC
    I see that for the 1987/88 FWA award John Barnes received two thirds of the votes, and Liverpool players 96% overall (Alan Hansen coming 2nd).

    The shortlists for the PFA awards seem to be reported like this:
    PFA Player of the Year - Barnes (who won it), Hansen, Beardsley, Steve McMahon, Brian McClair, Peter Reid
    PFA Young Player of the Year - Gascoigne (who won it), Nigel Clough, Neil Webb, Des Walker, David Rocastle, Michael Thomas
     
  13. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
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    Nottingham Forest FC
    For 1985/86 the PFA shortlists were like this:

    PFA Player of the Year - Lineker (who won with 80% of the vote apparently), McGrath (came 2nd), Lawrenson (came 3rd), Beardsley, McAvennie, Hansen.

    PFA Young Player of the Year - Tony Cottee (who won it), Nigel Clough, Mark Hughes, Stewart Robson, Paul Walsh, Norman Whiteside.

    The top 3 in the voting for the FWA award that season were apparently Lineker-Shilton-Beardsley.


    Going forwards to 1991/92 when Lineker won the FWA award again, I see that Pearce and McClair were 2nd and 3rd.

    The PFA Player of the Year shortlist that time had Gary Pallister (who won it), plus Lineker, Pearce, Bruce, McGrath and Ray Houghton apparently. The Young Player shortlist had Ryan Giggs (who won it) plus Alan Shearer, Rob Jones, Steve McManaman, Gary Speed and Dwight Yorke.
     
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  14. PDG1978

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    Mar 8, 2009
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    I can see that when Peter Reid was PFA Player of the Year in 1984/85, Ratcliffe, Bryan Robson and Lawrenson seem to have been among those on the shortlist.

    When Mark Hughes won the Young Player award that season, all of Everton's Bracewell, Steven and Stevens were on the shortlist apparently.

    I see that Reid and Hughes came 2nd and 3rd (behind Southall) in the FWA voting, and that Everton players (including Ratcliffe it seems, at least, as well as Southall and Reid) got 60% of the vote between them.
     
  15. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
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    Nottingham Forest FC
    I've seen some detail about how the Ipswich players did in the Football Writers Poll now too - between them they got 75% of the vote apparently, with Thijssen getting more votes than fellow Ipswich players Mills (2nd) and Wark (3rd) combined, while Muhren came 5th in the voting too.
     
  16. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
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    Nottingham Forest FC
    As far as the FWA award went Kenny Burns won that from Gemmill and Liam Brady in joint 2nd, then John McGovern was next and apparently Shilton and Woodcock received some votes too.
     
  17. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Maybe the info about the Football Writers (FWA) Player of the Year for 1996/97 is widely known but anyway I'll post this sentence "Zola won by a distance, polling twice the total number of votes gained by Juninho and Hughes" (Juninho and Mark Hughes were 2nd and 3rd, and I guess this means twice their combined total rather than twice either of their totals, though apparently those were close to each other so I'm not totally sure it does)

    I'll post the PFA player shortlists too for that 96/97 season:
    PFA Player of the Year - Shearer (who won it), Beckham (2nd), Ian Wright (3rd), Keane, McManaman, Zola
    Young Player of the Year - Beckham (who won it), Solskjaer, Fowler, Heskey, Perry, Vieira


    Likewise I can post the FWA Player of the Year 1997/98 top 3 as Dennis Bergkamp, Tony Adams, Michael Owen.

    There was one difference in the PFA voting for that 97/98 season, with Bergkamp and Owen also 1st and 3rd, but with Andy Cole in between. Following Owen in the Young Player of the Year voting, in 2nd and 3rd, were Kevin Davies and Rio Ferdinand.


    I can't quite remember for sure if the 1998/99 PFA players shortlist has been posted on Big Soccer and/or is fully known/easily available (probably some still available online newspaper reports have it I'm guessing though; I'm thinking maybe I did read it before too actually) so I'll add that too - as well as David Ginola who won, there were David Beckham, Roy Keane, Dwight Yorke, Dennis Bergkamp and Emmanuel Petit.

    Yorke and Beckham were 2nd and 3rd, behind Ginola, in the FWA voting.
     
  18. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
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    Nottingham Forest FC
    Just in case not everyone is aware, while I think about it I'll confirm that players weren't allowed to vote for team-mates in the PFA Player of the Year voting.
     
  19. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Emlyn Hughes picked a personal XI of (calendar year) 1977, published in Sports Argus on New Year's Eve
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  20. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
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    Nottingham Forest FC
    I've found these pages with the run-down of the top few players in the voting for the Football Writer Player of the Year in 1965/66 (B.Charlton, Cohen, Best, Osgood, Wilson, Atyeo) and 1967/68 (Best, Labone, B.Charlton, Bremner, Astle) @Pavlin Arnaudov
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    In between in 1966/67, when Jack Charlton won the award, the players following behind him in the voting were Geoff Hurst, Terry Hennessey and Dave Mackay.
     
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  21. PDG1978

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    Mar 8, 2009
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    Other ones I've seen:

    1962/63 - Matthews, Mackay, Banks
    1963/64 - Moore, Hurley, Law
    1964/65 - Collins, Jack Charlton, Dickinson
     
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  22. Pavlin Arnaudov

    Juventus
    Bulgaria
    Oct 21, 2017
    When we get enough nominees for the respective years, they can be tabulated!
     
  23. PDG1978

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    Mar 8, 2009
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    Nottingham Forest FC
    Yes, true.
     
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  24. PDG1978

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    Mar 8, 2009
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    Here is confirmation of the FWA voting totals for 1960/61 (where Blanchflower won, followed by Haynes, Greaves, Mackay, Armfield and Jones - all of them in the top 10 Puck showed that was based on public votes via Charles Buchan's Football Monthly, but just Blanchflower, Mackay and Haynes making The People's XI based on player ratings)
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    For 1959/60 it seems like players playing in Scotland could get votes interestingly as Joe Baker was in 6th place, after Slater the winner, McIlroy the highest rated player with The People's ratings, Mackay, Flowers and Clayton (Mackay and Clayton joining McIlroy in The People's XI, which Jones did too that time)
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  25. PDG1978

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    Mar 8, 2009
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    Nottingham Forest FC
    1952/53 (Lofthouse, Finney, Burgess)
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    1953/54 (Finney, Bartram, Charles, then Burgess in 4th that time)
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