Premier League 2019-20 Assignments and Discussion [Rs]

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  1. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As the new clinician for my local officials association, this week has given me three very different and interesting clips that will generate a great deal of discussion for future meetings.
    • The Everton-Man United offside/no offside call.
    • The Nashville-Atlanta keeper handling.
    • The foul/no foul clip shown above
    This is probably my experience playing American football coming into play, but for me contact with the plant/support leg is going to lean more toward the harsh end of possible sanctions. A punter, place-kicker, and even a placekick holder are in vulnerable positions where contact can result in quite a bit of force coming in for players without a lot of support and balance. When a kicker is following through and has his plant leg taken out, that presents a number of potential issues. Even if a defender gets the ball, I'm more inclined to call a foul in the games I work if there's decent contact with the plant leg.

    All of the points mentioned by MassRef are very valid, and they should be taken into consideration. My example shows that we'll all have some personal experience (if not bias) that will influence calls like this.
     
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  2. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    "Top six" matches:

    Liverpool - Man City (Community Shield): Atkinson
    Man Utd - Chelsea: Taylor
    Man City - Tottenham: Oliver
    Liverpool - Arsenal: Taylor
    Arsenal - Tottenham: Atkinson
    Chelsea - Liverpool: Oliver
    Man Utd - Arsenal: Friend
    Man Utd - Liverpool: Atkinson
    Liverpool - Tottenham: Taylor
    Chelsea - Man Utd (Carabao Cup): Tierney
    Liverpool - Arsenal (Carabao Cup): Marriner
    Liverpool - Man City: Oliver
    Man City - Chelsea: Atkinson
    Man Utd - Tottenham: Tierney
    Man City - Man Utd: Taylor
    Arsenal - Man City: Tierney
    Tottenham - Chelsea: Taylor
    Arsenal - Chelsea: Pawson
    Arsenal - Man Utd: Kavanagh
    Man Utd - Man City (Carabao Cup): Dean
    Liverpool - Man Utd: Pawson
    Chelsea - Arsenal: Attwell
    Man City - Man Utd (Carabao Cup): Marriner
    Chelsea - Man Utd: Taylor
    Chelsea - Tottenham: Oliver
    Chelsea - Liverpool (FA Cup): Kavanagh

    Distribution of these matches in the EPL so far:

    Taylor: 6
    Oliver: 4
    Atkinson: 3
    Pawson: 2
    Tierney: 2
    Attwell: 1
    Friend: 1
    Kavanagh: 1
     
  3. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    Kavanagh with the quick turnaround from Sunday Everton-ManU to the Tuesday Chelsea-Liverpool FA Cup 5th round. I don’t remember something like that occurring unless in the Christmas/New Years fixtures. This is stranger because there had to be some folks available who didn’t get a game over the weekend who could be trusted on the Chelsea match.
     
  4. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Matchweek 29

    Liverpool - Bournemouth
    Referee: Paul Tierney. Assistants: Stuart Burt, Constantine Hatzidakis. Fourth official: Mike Dean. VAR: Michael Oliver. Assistant VAR: Andy Halliday.

    Arsenal - West Ham
    Referee: Martin Atkinson. Assistants: Lee Betts, Sian Massey-Ellis. Fourth official: John Brooks. VAR: Kevin Friend. Assistant VAR: Simon Beck.

    Crystal Palace - Watford
    Referee: Anthony Taylor. Assistants: Gary Beswick, Adam Nunn. Fourth official: Darren England. VAR: Stuart Attwell. Assistant VAR: Stephen Child.

    Sheffield - Norwich
    Referee: Simon Hooper. Assistants: Derek Eaton, Mark Scholes. Fourth official: Michael Salisbury. VAR: Lee Mason. Assistant VAR: Ian Hussin.

    Southampton - Newcastle
    Referee: Graham Scott. Assistants: Neil Davies, Richard West. Fourth official: Andy Woolmer. VAR: Peter Bankes. Assistant VAR: Andy Garratt.

    Wolves - Brighton
    Referee: Andre Marriner. Assistants: Scott Ledger, Simon Long. Fourth official: Jeremy Simpson. VAR: Chris Kavanagh. Assistant VAR: Peter Kirkup.

    Burnley - Tottenham
    Referee: Jonathan Moss. Assistants: Marc Perry, Eddie Smart. Fourth official: Andy Madley. VAR: Craig Pawson. Assistant VAR: Andy Halliday.

    Chelsea - Everton
    Referee: Kevin Friend. Assistants: Adrian Holmes, Simon Beck. Fourth official: Graham Scott. VAR: Martin Atkinson. Assistant VAR: Lee Betts.

    Man Utd - Man City
    Referee: Mike Dean. Assistants: Darren Cann, Dan Robathan. Fourth official: Anthony Taylor. VAR: Andre Marriner. Assistant VAR: Stephen Child.

    Leicester - Aston Villa
    Referee: Michael Oliver. Assistants: Daniel Cook, Simon Bennett. Fourth official: Chris Kavanagh. VAR: Paul Tierney. Assistant VAR: Harry Lennard.
     
  5. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    "Top six" matches:

    Liverpool - Man City (Community Shield): Atkinson
    Man Utd - Chelsea: Taylor
    Man City - Tottenham: Oliver
    Liverpool - Arsenal: Taylor
    Arsenal - Tottenham: Atkinson
    Chelsea - Liverpool: Oliver
    Man Utd - Arsenal: Friend
    Man Utd - Liverpool: Atkinson
    Liverpool - Tottenham: Taylor
    Chelsea - Man Utd (Carabao Cup): Tierney
    Liverpool - Arsenal (Carabao Cup): Marriner
    Liverpool - Man City: Oliver
    Man City - Chelsea: Atkinson
    Man Utd - Tottenham: Tierney
    Man City - Man Utd: Taylor
    Arsenal - Man City: Tierney
    Tottenham - Chelsea: Taylor
    Arsenal - Chelsea: Pawson
    Arsenal - Man Utd: Kavanagh
    Man Utd - Man City (Carabao Cup): Dean
    Liverpool - Man Utd: Pawson
    Chelsea - Arsenal: Attwell
    Man City - Man Utd (Carabao Cup): Marriner
    Chelsea - Man Utd: Taylor
    Chelsea - Tottenham: Oliver
    Chelsea - Liverpool (FA Cup): Kavanagh
    Man Utd - Man City: Dean

    Distribution of these matches in the EPL so far:

    Taylor: 6
    Oliver: 4
    Atkinson: 3
    Pawson: 2
    Tierney: 2
    Attwell: 1
    Dean: 1
    Friend: 1
    Kavanagh: 1
     
  6. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It could be a regular week off. It could be that he did a Sunday-Tuesday set of games. But I do find it a little interesting that Kavanagh has no center or 4O assignments this week following the controversy of ManU-Everton last week.
     
  7. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    ???
    Leicester - Aston Villa
    Referee: Michael Oliver. Assistants: Daniel Cook, Simon Bennett. Fourth official: Chris Kavanagh. VAR: Paul Tierney. Assistant VAR: Harry Lennard.

    PH
     
  8. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Apologies I missed it. I'm able to admit when I'm wrong.
     
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  9. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    you'll never get a job with IFAB with that attitude!!
     
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  10. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    Nor PGMOL!

    PH
     
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  11. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Nor Mike Dean :p
     
  12. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    Here we go again...another VAR controversy.
    Bournemouth goal given after a clear foul by the attacker was
    ignored. Par for the course now, I suppose.

    PH
     
  13. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Funnily, VAR is Oliver, who just took charge of Liverpool's 3-0 defeat last week.
     
  14. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    OFR in Southampton to upgrade yellow to SFP red. I think that’s a first, right? Didn’t take too long given this is brand new for English referees (foul 25:55, red shown 27:37) but definitely room for improved efficiency.

    VAR also called a penalty. No OFRs there still.
     
  15. TxSooner

    TxSooner Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Watching how those lines get drawn in ARS - WHU makes me even more confident that the way MLS handles things with respect to offside VAR decisions is a best practice.
     
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  16. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    This was probably as a result of the clearly missed SFP/VC incidents over the recent weeks. It is good that OFR is being used, but you have to ask why they thought it was a good idea not to allow it until now. It should have been used in the LIverpool match today also.

    PH
     
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  17. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    How much was he on side? A toe?
     
  18. Alex-Ref

    Alex-Ref Member

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Nov 13, 2019
    Not the first one, I remember Paul Tierney used an OFR to upgrade a yellow to SFP red on Aubameyang a while back.
     
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  19. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Right. I knew there was one. But all I could think of was the Son VC (before OFRs were allowed for straight reds) and then the cases where there should have been interventions but weren't afterward.
     
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  20. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    Leagues around the world, especially this year’s EPL, would be well served to follow the XFL’s example. 0ED2CD4C-B270-4C2B-BC0F-3C83223850FC.png
     
  21. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    Anybody watching the Manchester Derby? There was a VAR non-review of a clear and obvious error (whatever the hell that is) for a penalty and instead a yellow for simulation. It’s a penalty.
     
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  22. chwmy

    chwmy Member+

    Feb 27, 2010
    Perfect scenario to prove the value of VAR. Perfect example of VAR fail in the premier league.
     
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  23. Barciur

    Barciur Member+

    Apr 25, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Poland
    There was no OFR there. Just VAR upgrade of SFP to red, but without OFR
     
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  24. TheRealBilbo

    TheRealBilbo Member+

    Apr 5, 2016
    Was the reassigned person involved in the decision making?

    I'm also not in favor of one strike and you're out. I'd rather identify why an error was allowed to stand, and determine what needs done to rectify it. If procedures were not followed, that may justify reassignment. If they were followed, then the procedures need updated and officials notified/trained as appropriate.

    The big thing is how do you know that the guy replacing the reassigned guy isn’t going to make the same or a different mistake?
     
  25. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I completely disagree, and I think the commentators were making a much bigger deal out of that than there was.

    I think that call was spot-on. There was contact, but it looked to me like it was minimal, had no effect, and once the attacking player was through it, he flopped. It just doesn't pass the eyeball test for me.
     

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