And now a blatant hold for Manchester United that should be a penalty. These standards are jarring. That’s now a penalty everywhere else with VAR.
And the MU PK (that was missed) that was a trip from behind after the ball was off the attacker's foot -- that wasn't even a yellow? Were there more than two defenders between the attacker and the goal?
Urgh. A poor performance that could have been salvaged with effective VAR. I feel sorry for Tierney because he’s a great referee but atm, I think this is a dip, and one wonders if the novelty of VAR played a part.
So not one but two missed PK calls that VAR doesn’t call down, a DOGSO it ignores, and a card for simulation that was a clear error because it was actually a clear foul. And then Atkinson earlier letting it make a call for him. It seems pretty clear that the EPL is using VAR in a very different way than the rest of the world.
The approach, in addition to being classically British, is interesting because it essentially means VAR will be used to take away goals for offside and handball and... not much else.
And now a bear hug by van dijk to keep sideshow bob from challenging a Liverpool corner. If there is hope that VAR will clean up set piece shenanigans, that’s not happening yet in the epl.
The lack of proper protocol just made sure a clear DOGSO foul couldn’t be called IF the offside decision was wrong. Unclear if offside was right or not but that’s not really the point.
Don’t think it’s a mandatory yellow card. It’s a trip, it’s barely late, doesn’t really stop a promising attack (because they get a PK), and it’s not even close to reckless. I think we are ok saving a card there. The pen is enough.
I don't think so, he's running into the box, get's the ball tapped to him and get's tripped. Even if he got possession of that ball there's two defenders directly in front of him blocking his path. No way that's a card. 10:21 in the video.
OK. In real time I couldn't see what was between him and goal. Looked to me like he was in. Well, hmm ... if you look at that last angle in the replay ... from behind ... there's really just the one defender and the keeper. Oh well.
Rebecca Lowe, Kyle Martino, and Robby Mustoe discuss of the penalty no-call in Man U game. https://www.nbcsports.com/video/boot-room-manchester-uniteds-var-woes-premier-league-top-4-race
🤔 The earlier VAR Review for a potential Manchester City penalty.#BOUMCI 🍒🔵https://t.co/imICB41avi— City Xtra (@City_Xtra) August 25, 2019 Here was a check in the Man City match. It looked like the defender stepped on the attacker’s foot causing him to fall. No penalty given.
In some ways this British application of clear and obvious error seems closer to the stated purpose of using VAR to correct only the Thierry Henry level errors. But it does also appear to be very much different from what's happening everywhere else
I knew it would be different. I’m genuinely shocked by how different it is. This big of a difference between the EPL and UEFA competitions is not sustainable. Relatedly, Dean and team just missed or ignored a DOGSO foul. On the plus side, he did book a player for not leaving at the nearest boundary.
Agreed. The non-PK call in the Spurs-Newcastle match was a perfect example of this. It was a call that could have gone either way, the ref on the field called no PK, and VAR said that the evidence was not conclusive enough to overrule the original call, since it wasn't a clear and obvious error.
It was also an example of the importance of exactly what the ref is telling the VAR. If Dean was telling the video assistant referee that there wasn't enough contact for a penalty to be called, it's a clear and obvious error, because there certainly was enough. But if he was saying he saw the contact, but elected to play on because the defender was off balance and fell, and didn't want to penalize him for an inadvertent play -- I still think it's a penalty myself, but that's a reasonable interpretation, and thus NOT clear and obvious error.