Premier League 2019-20 Assignments and Discussion [Rs]

Discussion in 'Referee' started by balu, Jul 20, 2019.

  1. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Community Shield

    4 August 2019
    Liverpool - Manchester City
    Wembley

    Referee: Martin Atkinson
    Assistants: Sian Massey-Ellis, Dan Cook
    4th Official: Stuart Attwell
    Reserve AR: Neil Davies
    VAR: Anthony Taylor
    AVAR: Steve Child

    Atkinson's second Community Shield, having taken charge of Liverpool - Chelsea in 2006. The last person who did the Shield twice was George Courtney in 1979 and 1990. Massey-Ellis is the first female referee to be involved in the Shield. Will be interesting to see how the new rules are implemented, especially if there are penalty kicks.
     
  2. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Wonder if this is a sign that this could be Atkinson's last season?

    Sort of going away retiring gift a la Mallenco? There is, obviously, no way that Atkinson can get the FA Cup Final again and I'm assuming the policy of only appearance applies for the League Cup Final as well? This is as close as Atkinson can get to "big" assignment.
     
  3. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought the same thing. Atkinson’s international career is over and he has nothing left to prove. Plus, he can be a VAR forever and would have his leg up if he wanted to go that route.

    That said, my understanding is that he is very fit. And he’s still a major player for the big assignments. There’s no reason he needs to step aside unless he wants to do so voluntarily. Given England’s poor development right now, I imagine the FA wants him to continue on. So this could equally be a signal of how much he’s needed at this moment.

    Guess we will find out the answer in 10 months.
     
  4. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    I was doing a quick search on Atkinson, and it seems as though since leaving the international scene, he has done 32/33 matches the last 2 years.

    Roger East retired at 52 this past spring. And a couple of other refs in their late 40’s have moved to the VAR chairs. I have a feeling Atkinson will keep going for at least a couple more years. Unless, VAR in the PREM is a disaster, and he’s needed there.
     
  5. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Atkinson and Pawson went to China to officiate the preseason Asia Trophy. Atkinson saw Wolves twice, which might be something to keep in mind as assigning starts in the new season. More importantly, the Final ended in KFTM. There were 5 misses or saves. No re-takes ordered and no yellow cards given. A couple of them are very close, but best I can tell they are all the correct calls. At least no false positives!

    Starts at 10:28:

     
  6. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/foot...emier-league-referees-community-shield-riley/

    Tell us how you really feel Mark.

    What a hack and he really has no awareness of how many bridges he's burning.

    Clattenburg probably hasn't had a none soccer related job maybe ever. He's gonna need the PGMOL or the FA to employ him in some capacity down the road and lighting all your former coworkers (and future bosses) up like a Christmas tree isn't going to help down the road.
     
  7. frankieboylampard

    Mar 7, 2016
    USA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Its okay... he'll come to America. lol
     
  8. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    Sporting KC
    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Oliver with today’s opener. Taylor with the Man United-Chelsea showcase game Sunday. Atwell with two VAR assignments this weekend.

    Friday 9 August
    20:00 Liverpool v Norwich City
    Referee: Michael Oliver (pictured)
    Assistants: Stuart Burt, Simon Bennett
    Fourth official: Graham Scott
    VAR: Andre Marriner
    Assistant VAR: Scott Ledger

    Saturday 10 August
    12:30 West Ham v Man City
    Referee: Mike Dean
    Assistants: Darren Cann, Dan Robathan
    Fourth official: Gavin Ward
    VAR: David Coote
    Assistant VAR: Stephen Child

    AFC Bournemouth v Sheff Utd
    Referee: Kevin Friend
    Assistants: Matthew Wilkes, Nick Hopton
    Fourth official: Charles Breakspear
    VAR: Lee Mason
    Assistant VAR: Andy Halliday

    Burnley v Southampton
    Referee: Graham Scott
    Assistants: Neil Davies, Andy Garratt
    Fourth official: Ross Joyce
    VAR: Peter Bankes
    Assistant VAR: Derek Eaton

    Crystal Palace v Everton
    Referee: Jonathan Moss
    Assistants: Marc Perry, Eddie Smart
    Fourth official: Craig Hicks
    VAR: John Brooks
    Assistant VAR: Adam Nunn

    Watford v Brighton
    Referee: Craig Pawson
    Assistants: Ian Hussin, Richard West
    Fourth official: Peter Wright
    VAR: Andy Madley
    Assistant VAR: Mark Scholes

    17:30 Spurs v Aston Villa
    Referee: Chris Kavanagh
    Assistants: Daniel Cook, Sian Massey-Ellis
    Fourth official: Tim Robinson
    VAR: Stuart Attwell
    Assistant VAR: Simon Long

    Sunday, 11 August
    14:00 Leicester v Wolves
    Referee: Andre Marriner
    Assistants: Scott Ledger, Simon Long
    Fourth official: Andy Madley
    VAR: Jonathan Moss
    Assistant VAR: Andy Halliday

    14:00 Newcastle v Arsenal
    Referee: Martin Atkinson
    Assistants: Lee Betts, Constantine Hatzidakis
    Fourth official: Darren England
    VAR: David Coote
    Assistant VAR: Nick Hopton

    16:30 Man Utd v Chelsea
    Referee: Anthony Taylor
    Assistants: Gary Beswick, Adam Nunn
    Fourth official: Lee Mason
    VAR: Stuart Attwell
    Assistant VAR: Stephen Child
     
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  9. kayakhorn

    kayakhorn Member+

    Oct 10, 2011
    Arkansas
    That’s a mighty close no goal decision by VAR in WHU vs City.
     
  10. kayakhorn

    kayakhorn Member+

    Oct 10, 2011
    Arkansas
    And a pk retake for a foot off the line.
     
  11. mathguy ref

    mathguy ref Member

    Nov 15, 2016
    TX
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I’m watching a highlight replay in a hotel with no sound, so I am more than my usual partially handicapped, but it appeared they called a defender encroaching. At least that was the highlighted player on the replay. Declan Rice, and he looked to be a step in and he cleared the initial save.
     
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  12. TxSooner

    TxSooner Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    I simply do not want to get used to these offside decisions only determined by using advanced video processing software.

    It continues to ruin the game IMHO.
     
  13. TheRealBilbo

    TheRealBilbo Member+

    Apr 5, 2016
     
  14. fischietto

    fischietto Member

    Apr 13, 2018
    I agree with that sentiment, but I just don’t see any alternative.

    Because unless it’s a black and white millimeter, who’s going to determine the arbitrary “amount” of offside that becomes impactful and therefore acceptable. What will it be? 10cm, 50cm, 1m?

    It would still be a matter of millimeters, but we’d just be “moving the goalposts”. Then we’d be scrutinizing if the player was actually 9cm or 11cm offside. It’s just a matter of where you want the scrutiny to be.

    Not saying I love the current setup, but there’s no other consistent way of doing it.
     
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  15. TxSooner

    TxSooner Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Instead of defining a distance, I’d just go with the same standard that has been used throughout the game. Using a full speed replay, go with the opinion of the AR, or VAR in this case. When in doubt, don’t call it. That worked for the most part, don’t see why we change that same principle.

    It’ll catch all of those egregious offside decisions that were simply missed. Nobody was complaining, felt wronged, or otherwise cheated by theses offside by a millimeter decisions.
     
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  16. TxSooner

    TxSooner Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Double post
     
  17. sulfur

    sulfur Member

    Oct 22, 2007
    Ontario, Canada
    Having now seen this one, I'm OK with this.

    GK had foot on line (so no GK encroachment and YC), but defender was in WELL before the kick was taken and was the one to clear the ball away.

    If he doesn't clear that ball away, then no issue here. But he does. And that's bad.

    And this call was good.
     
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  18. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    Sporting KC
    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    The Sterling goal where he was RIGHT on the offside line at the top of the area was a near perfect VAR application. Right at the start of the TV replays, I thought I saw a still frame where he MIGHT have been offside. However, it was far from conclusive or obvious. Call on the field stood.

    I know there would still be some subjectivity, but I’m fine with plays like this sticking with the call on the field. It’s not obvious to overturn no matter what the AR called.

    If you can’t run a video for 15-20 seconds and clearly see the call on the field was wrong, then stick with the on field call. This really doesn’t have to be so tough.
     
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  19. rh89

    rh89 Member

    Sep 29, 2015
    OR
    I'm pretty sure if you look at that still where he looked offside, it was after the ball had been kicked. Once they found the right frame with first contact on the ball, he's even.
     
  20. Thegreatwar

    Thegreatwar Member

    May 28, 2015
    New England
    I’m astounded that he would speak so frankly to the media TBH. I guess he doesn’t expect to work in refereeing in England again so he doesn’t care about burning bridges, etc.
     
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  21. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    Sporting KC
    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    That kind of proves my point. All of this looking for the right frame, first contact with the ball, etc. can’t be what people really want from VAR.

    At even half speed with no lines, this is too close to call. I’m fine with the call on the field standing no matter what the call. Even if Sterling was a whisker off, I’d be fine with an “inconclusive video evidence, call stands” outcome.

    I get this won’t happen because the technology is there to make people think they can judge these with 100% accuracy.
     
  22. SCV-Ref

    SCV-Ref Member

    Spurs
    Australia
    Feb 22, 2018
    That's my bold underline. Because in actual fact they can't. It's just not that accurate. Here we go again.
     
  23. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    Sporting KC
    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    I absolutely used “think” with full intention. The only thing that can truly be objectively judged on a field outside of mistaken identity is a ball over a line. Everything else has at least a small amount of subjective analysis.

    To think offside can be ruled with complete objectivity and accuracy is simply not a correct thing.
     
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  24. SCV-Ref

    SCV-Ref Member

    Spurs
    Australia
    Feb 22, 2018
    Well...not with current technology anyway.:D
     
  25. GlennAA11

    GlennAA11 Member+

    Jun 12, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    I guess every league and it's fans have to go through these several stages of acceptance (or not) of VAR. Of course since it's the Brits they don't realize everyone else in the world has already been doing this for a while now with all of the same issues.
     

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