Pre-WC: Pick Your Group C Best XI

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He's coming off the back of a good season (for him, though not for his team), there's been no real decline in hs perfromance.

I justdon't know where your getting these ideas from.

 

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As you said, it was a good season for him. It's not considered a good season for a world class goalie.

 

Chaouchi is terrible. He is their backup. I'm talking about Gaouaoui

 

Hey Chaouchi is much better than Gaouaoui. The problem with Chaouchi, is consistency. Sometimes he pulls of some Buffon games and sometimes James

 

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He's not World Class, but then again neither is any other goalkeeper in the group.

 

I agree Chaouchi has more saves of the spectacular variety than Gaouaoui, but that's mostly because he's out of position to begin with

 

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I might just be bias, but I think Howard has proved that he is World Class. 2 years ago he stoned Argentina who had 6-7 shots saved by Howard that should of been goals 90 out of times. He also stood on his head against Spain and was amazing.

 

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A coupleof games doesn't make a keeper World Class. David James is excellent on his day, one of the best shot stoppers in the history of the Premier League. But shot-stopping alone does not make a keeper World Class.

In many ways it's funny that you slag off James so much as the main flaw of his career which has stopped him attaining that level is the same as the main flaw of Howard, i.e. both are a bit suspect on crosses. They both are far too eager to come out and claims balls or to try to punch them away.

 

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Green
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Lennon Barry Gerrard Donovan
Rooney Defoe

For me

 

Personally I still want Hart. He is a good player, he's only 23 and he was the stand-out keeper in the Premiership this year for a pretty decent Birmingham side. I also thought he was good for the 45 mins he was given against Japan, he made an amazing save and was otherwise solid.

Still I do understand that he is a bit of a risk, having only 3 England caps. But he''s clearly the best in this group and I'm sure starting from the Euro qualifiers he will have the no.1 spot nailed down for a very long time.

 

I personally think Hart is a bit erratic to be first choice. Green seems to be the sensible choice. James is purely for experience and Hart is still a bti risky and he has terrible distribution.

Although Hart is probably the best shot stopper.

 

Precisely. Hart was good in both friendlies, not just the Japan match. He is the best penalty stopper we have, has a confident style about him, and good decision maker. The future #1 for England.

Capello has been reluctant to hand over the reins this close to the WC, but Hart will leave him no choice eventually.

 

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No doubt Howard has some flaws but just about every Goalie in the world does. Even the best 2 or 3 Goalies have some flaws. He has definitely proved that he is a top Goalie in the Premier League and possibly a World Class Goalie. I would say he is one of the Top 15 Goalies in the World.

 

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^^^dunno mate, howard isn't that great to me

harts distribution won't be a problem if he can just hoof it up to heskey

 

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Yes but top 15 doesnt make you world class, if Howard was truly world class he would be playing for a better team than Everton right now.

 

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So are you saying that a guy like Aguero is not World Class because he played for the team that got 9th in La Liga. Howard is not in the same class as guys like Buffon, Casillas, Julio Cesar and Cech but he is in the next category with guys like Given, Akinfeev, Adler, Frey, Lloris, Reina, Van Der Sar. I think you can say that he is the 4th or 5th best Goalie in the Premier League after Cech, Van Der Sar, Reina and maybe Given. I might rank Howard higher then most do but I watch him closer then most do.

 

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Howard is a good Premiership keeper, last season he was probably about the 4th best keeper in the Premiership, this season he's been fairly mediocre. Not crap by any means, but it's easy to pick out plenty of keepers who have done more for their clubs this year.

he's a decent, even good Prmeier League keeper and if you defintion of World Class encompasses decent Premier League keepers then he's World Class. But if you think he's miles ahead of guys like Green and James then you're mistaken

 

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Aguerro is not world class, I suppose our definitions differ. For Aguerro to be world class he would have to be in the same league as Messi,Villa,Torres, Rooney and Ronaldo which he is not.

For Howard to be world class he needs to be in the same class as Cassillias, Buffon and Cesar. He is clearly a level below this good but not world class.

 

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I agree that he is not as good as the best in the world but my classification of World Class is different then yours. I agree though that he is not loads better then Green but I do think he is a lot better then James. Its just my opinion that James is the most overrated Goalie in the world and should be retired by now since he is not good anymore. Thats just my opinion though.

 

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Does your version of World class classes have sets then, like 'set A' for the top dogs, 'set B' for the not quite good enough for 'set A' but better than 'set C' who are not able to get a final exam result which will match the percentage that 'set A' can achieve?
Or something else maybe?
Enlighten us.

Maybe you should phone Capello and let him know.

 

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I think this group has a set of very equal but very average keepers.

Howard is probably on a par with James who is slightly worse than Hart and Green. I'd say Green is the top keeper in this group he is the only one who adept at dealing with crosses, shots and has good distribution. 3 other three all fall down in one of these categories. Hart can't distribute the ball, Howard is a poor shot stopper and James is a calamity under crosses.

 

I'm new to the place, but Howard is currently the best GK in Group C. As far as the other discussions on whether he's world class or not. I'd say he's damn good, but probably not in the top tier. However, he doesn't need to be world class to be the best keeper in Group C. He would start and there really shouldn't be a debate.

That's all I've got, but glad I found Bigsoccer.

 

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