in order to have a more reliable way in rating pre-war players rather than using rankings or wikipedia pages that were made decades after their retirement, let's see the opinion of those who have witnessed them live
Bok de Korver, 1943 (Dutch full-back) -- best players you have seen? Nils Middelboe Vivian Woodward Jose Leandro Andrade Silvio Piola Best Team : Austrian Wunderteam
81 years-old Jules Rimet, 1954 : Three Best Players He Has Seen : Matthias Sindelar Stanley Matthews Jose Leandro Andrade
Jeff Mermans, 1949 : Three Greatest in Last 15 Years : Stanley Matthews Matthias Sindelar Faas Wilkes
Matthias Sindelar (date unknown) : "I have never seen a better footballer player on the pitch than (Alfred) Schaffer was, But I have never learned nearly as much about the science of the game from anyone as from Kálmán Konrád"
Ljubiša Stevanović about the best footballer of all time : Without a doubt, the Uruguayan (Jose Leandro) Andrade. the true, unrivaled master of this sport. He was a cultivated natural talent in which instinct and consciousness are perfectly united. He played equally with both legs, and with a head in which the real football brain worked incessantly. And those eyes: even if he didn't look, he saw everything! He was really attracted to the ball because in a fraction of a second, he even uttered the opponent's most secret thought. I don't want to exaggerate anything, but I've never seen a football player like him before or after, including Pele, Di Stefano, Puskas and others. I've seen them all, but I'm judging with such certainty because I played against Andrade.
Hugo Meisl, 1935 : "and I expressed my sincere amazement at how the inside left Alex James, The GREATEST footballer of all time......"
https://sport.aktualne.cz/fotbal/fo...d-umrti-k/r~5153e0f8031911eba7deac1f6b220ee8/ Santiago Bernabeu : "After Pele and Di Stefano, Karel Pesek(Kada) was the greatest footballer I have ever seen"
The Names Heard Long Ago: How the Golden Age of Hungarian (Jonathan Wilson) Bela Guttmann, 1925 : "Orth, Kalman Konrad, and Buchan above others"
https://www.spartaforever.cz/ukaz_clanek.php?clanek=489 "The famous Italian goalkeeper of Juventus Valinasso said that Braine is the best player he has ever seen in his life. After the final, both the journalists and the English referee Fogg (No English team has such a centre-forward as Braine, it is impossible to play football better than him) were not sparing."
1377669150756253699 is not a valid tweet id Laszlo Kubala : - The best? "When they ask me that question I always answer the same. I don't want to take away merits from Di Stéfano, Pelé, Cruyff or Maradona. They have been monsters and deserve to be among the greatest, but for me, perhaps because I have seen him more closely, the best footballer has been Josef Bican. He's still alive. He is ninety years old and has been the best Austrian player in history, although he also played later with the Czech national team"
Osvaldo Garcia, 1948 : “Was (Antonio) Sastre superior to (Jose Manuel) Moreno and (Giuseppe) Meazza? Yes. Sastre was considered the greatest Argentine attacker of all time. So much so that he was nicknamed “El Maestro.”
https://futbolfierrosytango.wordpress.com/2019/06/14/el-cuila-sastre-fue-mejor-que-maradona-y-pele/ Ernesto Duchini, 2005 : For his part, the Argentine journalist Natalio Gorin (now deceased), who honored me with his friendship, decided to interview Ernesto Duchini when he began to collect testimonies for his book “Fútbol, Memorias de Medio Siglo”, which would be published in 2005. , already converted into a nonagenarian icon but in full lucidity and accredited for having witnessed and at the same time the protagonist of a fantastic history: that of Argentine soccer throughout the Twentieth century, begun in 1931 with the beginning of professionalism, on whose initial date he played defending the Chacarita Juniors jacket. Gorin unleashed the question: "Do you dare to name the three best players he saw in his life?" And Duchini did not hesitate for a second to give his answer: 1) Antonio Sastre 2) José Manuel Moreno 3) Diego Maradona. And Don Ernesto explained, with his indestructible wisdom: «Why Sastre? Because he was a phenomenon wherever he played on the pitch: defense, midfield, forward. But not as a feature or something special. No. He was the first versatile player that Argentine soccer had, an advance who performed in almost all positions! »
Nota a Fioravanti... Olvidé el año, lo tendría que haber anotado pero supongo 1971/72"El mejor jugador que vi fue el incomparable Arsenio Erico" pic.twitter.com/K7Dpjtwvai— Guido (@JulioArguelles_) March 28, 2023 Note to Fioravanti, 1971/72 "The best player I saw was the incomparable Arsenio Erico"
A fines de los 60, para El Grafico, Alejandro Scopelli elige a los 15 MEJORES jugadores que vio. El Chueco GarcíaNolo FerreiraMorenoDi StéfanoScarone🇺🇾Erico🇵🇾Pelé🇧🇷Sindelar🇦🇹Puskas🇭🇺Sarosi🇭🇺Kubala🇭🇺Meazza🇮🇹Law🏴Eusebio🇵🇹Matthews🏴 pic.twitter.com/dRlHKhytWb— Guido (@JulioArguelles_) March 4, 2023 Alejandro Scopelli, 15 Best Players He Has Seen : Enrique Garcia Manuel Ferreira Jose Manuel Moreno Alfredo Di Stefano Hector Scarone Arsenio Erico Pele Matthias Sindelar Ferenc Puskas Gyorgy Sarosi Laszlo Kubala Giuseppe Meazza Denis Law Eusebio Stanley Matthews
https://gameofgoals.it/2021/07/29/hector-scarone-il-migliore-di-tutti-senza-la-televisione.html "Of all the opponents I've met in 20 years of football, the only one who didn't let me sleep the night before matches was Héctor Scarone" Luisito Monti
I can only notice that Scopelli has Puskas, Matthews, Di Stefano as his big 3. Interesting statement from someone who also played with Moreno for years
Yes, although I think it is not too surprising that what might be seen as more 'conventional' views now also existed back then, along with the ones that later put Moreno above Maradona or compared him to Pele and suchlike. Similarly some views had Orth or Sarosi above Puskas as a Hungarian I think IIRC didn't they, but Sebes (who played in Sarosi's era and was alive for Orth's career) has Puskas as best ever player in 1962 (ahead of Pele, but also every other Hungarian he had known of course by definition). Not surprising I suppose that there is variation in opinion anyway overall. EDIT - Depending (to an extent) on the date of the comment it's also interesting Pele is not put in his big 3 of course though! But yeah, I also see what you mean, in that a team-mate of Moreno's does put both Di Stefano (perhaps because of his Real Madrid time primarily and maybe he could witness it more than many fellow Argentines - I'm speculating a bit here though) and Matthews ahead of him. Obviously he hasn't snubbed Moreno completely though, as one of the selection in general, and Pele along with Eusebio is there as a modern star from the time of the comment I guess (potentially with longevity going against him).
It does look like he calls Pele the king (in bold type) though, as well as saying Law was the current best player (early to mid 60s I guess, so Eusebio included from his early days in that case) playing in Europe ahead of Di Stefano (at that time), Luis Suarez, Eusebio.... It seems like he says that Matthews tortured defenders with zig-zag dribbling, and also that Meazza at first reminded him of Nolo Fernandez, Erico and Sastre, but later he concluded Meazza is only like Meazza, and he states that he had incredible ball mastery I think (I used Google translate here a bit). Talking of Erico, he seems to say that just like Pele has a plaque at the Maracana because of his length of the pitch dribble goal, Erico could have one in Argentina (I didn't use Google translate here and am not sure yet whether he means because of a particular goal or because of all of the ones he scored or something). EDIT - Sorry, not Nolo Fernandez (I had Lolo Fernandez in mind I guess; it's somebody referred to as Nolo by him though). I realise it was not meant to be implied by CP that Scopelli was a team-mate of Moreno at club level for years too (so it's slightly different to that in terms of loyalty or extreme familiarity with all his best games etc) and I see he moved to Italy in 1933, so I'm not completely sure of the timeline of his thoughts re: Meazza vis a vis Erico or Sastre (maybe he even talks retrospectively just about the type of player he was and his attributes, or maybe he didn't see a big amount of him until later in the 30s anyway given the era....).
Oh, Nolo Ferreira of course (who he had in his 15 players selected too)! Yeah, so he seems to indicate Meazza has aspects of the play of Nolo Ferreira, Erico and Sastre. Nolo Ferreira was actually a club team-mate of Scopelli's and he certainly would have known him well before he first saw Meazza.