Post-match: POWER OUTAGE GROUCHY™ POINT POLL - Crew v Inter Miami - Match 31 - 10/2/24 7:30 PM

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What will be the result of the Crew's 10/2/24 match vs Miami?

Poll closed Oct 2, 2024.
  1. Win by two or more goals

    16.0%
  2. Win by one goal

    22.0%
  3. Canadian Win (née Tie)

    18.0%
  4. Lose by one goal

    12.0%
  5. Lose by two or more goals

    8.0%
  6. Whirlwind - 3+ goals scored in a 15-minute period (worth 2 points!!)

    22.0%
  7. "DP&L? Never heard of it." - chr1st

    2.0%
  1. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And for the record, I still can't figure out why Miami's first "goal" was disallowed. I don't know if anyone's offside, and the one player I was looking at didn't involve himself in the play.

    We got a questionable call on a potential goal against, we charlie-foxtrotted them one goal for sure, and depending on your point of view on the wall on Messi's free kick, TWO goals, and our best player missed a PK. We didn't deserve to win this one.
     
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  2. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Miami is just like us. When they put together a great performance, they're really good. And when they don't, they're still good enough to pull a result out of thin air because of their talent. But they're flawed. Even in a win, they still conceded two and were lucky not to concede more. They're not even close to invincible.
     
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  3. ColumbusFTW

    ColumbusFTW Member+

    Jul 18, 2018
    It's not even the lack of goals, it's the lack of attempts to even create scoring opportunities. If they were trying line-breaking passes or combos through the midfield, or multiple guys were making runs at the net when the ball goes to the wings, or players besides the three forwards were willing to pull up at the edge of the box and fire it at the keeper, I wouldn't have as much issue. The goals will come in those scenarios. They have all this possession and passing in first halves without hardly any attempts to create chances. It's not as passive and defensive as Porterball but it's still largely possession for possession's sake.
     
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  4. Paul171121

    Paul171121 Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Dec 14, 2018
    Went and checked to see if Camacho would be double suspended for YCA and the red. Looks like he only had 2 yellows coming into the match. He'll be on a warning for the last two games. Not sure if one in the last game carries over.
     
  5. ColumbusFTW

    ColumbusFTW Member+

    Jul 18, 2018
    If the Crew play with urgency from the opening bell, they are capable of not just beating Miami but routing them. The problem is we aren't seeing urgency in the first halves of matches and more importantly, the Crew continue to spot them cheap easy goals. Both goals in June were off of stupid giveaways on the backline. The first goal in Leagues Cup was another stupid giveaway by a veteran defender (I seem to recall it was Moreira). All three goals tonight were a mix of silly mistakes and poor effort by defenders and Schulte. Even last year when Miami was dogshit, Columbus lost twice to them because of dumb errors to gift them goals. It just comes down to jumping on that team early so they can't get away with coasting into halftime, and making them actually work into their scoring chances. The Crew keep shooting themselves in the dick and playing into Tata's hands.
     
  6. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think a second yellow actually counts towards accumulations. So he should be sitting on three, not four.
     
  7. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm willing to be a little forgiving on the first goal. It was a pretty good ball to Messi who made a pretty good run, and our guy (Arfsten?) got a touch that nine times out of ten goes away from Messi or goes off of him and rebounds too far away for him to control it instead of sitting up perfectly for him. It's not great defending, but it's not awful, either.

    The other two goals? Yeah. I completely agree. Including the pointless foul by Camacho that set up Messi's FK in the first place.
     
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  8. Paul171121

    Paul171121 Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Dec 14, 2018
    I was wrong. You are correct. If you are on a warning and get two yellows you are suspended for 1 the accumulation that you already met, and 2 the red.

    He might have had 3 yellows, but I saw two different numbers online. Who knows if he had one wiped off too.
     
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  9. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not a clue.

    I also don't know if hitting the magic number on Decision Day means you sit for the first game of the playoffs or not. My gut says no, but I honestly don't remember.
     
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  10. DRWCrew

    DRWCrew Member

    Aug 11, 2003
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #360 DRWCrew, Oct 3, 2024
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    [MOD EDIT]
    Why did you delete my post?
    So a mod can delete my post and leave up the one calling me a bitch and all you do is edit his post? Who deleted my reply?
     
  11. Kryptonite

    Kryptonite BS XXV

    Apr 10, 1999
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Talk to @TKyle or @hardhead

    As of last I checked, mods only have powers in the forums they moderate.
     
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  12. Ball Kicker

    Ball Kicker Member

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Aug 11, 2022
    Thank god Camacho has to sit this upcoming game
     
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  13. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One more thing on this, and then I'll stop pissing people off until tomorrow. :D

    I don't think you can give a yellow for that play. I think it's red or it's nothing.

    Busquets won the ball first, and Farsi got there late. And there was contact. As the referee, you have to decide which player is more responsible. If you decide that Busquets won the ball fairly and Farsi was responsible for the contact, then that foul goes against him, and the fact that he came out of it second best with a mark on his thigh is his problem, not the referee's. Which is apparently what was called, because Miami got the free kick.

    The other option is to decide that Busquets committed the foul. Well, Busquets won the ball. So if you're deciding that even though he won the ball, he's responsible for the contact, then you can only be making that call because you think he was reckless, or careless, or because he could have done something to avoid the contact, or used excessive force. Well, once you've decided that, your sanction has to be based on the level of contact and force used. And based on where he got hit, and the fact that it was with the cleats, I think that has to be red. I mean, Farsi got drilled that high up with dangerous force. That's not yellow-card level of contact to me. If he's guilty, he's gone.

    Sometimes, with these kinds of arguments, people get frustrated and just go "fine, split the difference. It has to be at least yellow." That's not how this one works, IMHO.
     
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  14. eboe

    eboe Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    May 23, 2006
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yet, we are in second place in our division and considered to be one of the most formidable teams in the league. I remember a time when that would be a dream. When massive was a sarcastic statement.
     
  15. eboe

    eboe Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    May 23, 2006
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Camacho got the ball and zero player.
     
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  16. eboe

    eboe Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    May 23, 2006
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes it was, I saw the replays.
     
  17. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I will guarantee if it was Camacho that cleated Messi in the thigh it would have been straight red.

    That’s how this one works.
     
  18. kgilbert78

    kgilbert78 Member+

    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    United States
    Dec 28, 2006
    Cowlumbus, OH
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Like Gretzky. Of course his first few years you couldn't even catch him to foul him.

    And some of those Miami players went down easier than 15 year old scotch.

    But that's gamesmanship, and as the game vs Club America showed, we're not as good at that as some. I will not blame it on officiating.
     
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  19. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The fact that we had opportunities to tie is testament to how good our team is. We are the team MLS should be touting as the model of the league.

    I am absolutely blaming this on the officiating.
     
  20. Kyle Crew

    Kyle Crew Member+

    Feb 23, 2013
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For someone that talks like a ref, you should know that getting to the ball first doesn’t give you the freedom to demolish your opponent afterwards. If you score a bicycle kick goal while kicking the opponent in the head, I bet that would be disallowed.
     
  21. Paul171121

    Paul171121 Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Dec 14, 2018
    We lost due to our own mistakes more than to any officiating errors. But I am tired of getting the refs who have had notable terrible games in the Nations League semis and finals.
     
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  22. Kyle Crew

    Kyle Crew Member+

    Feb 23, 2013
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This should be the main takeaway: we beat ourselves, simple as. Everything else is excuse making.
     
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  23. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Again, it was a miracle we were within a goal at the end, it’s a testament to how good we are.


    But a yellow/red to Bousquets early absolutely changes the game. Denying that in the face of both of Camacho’s yellows and the soft foul Messi scored his FK on and you have to put some of the loss on the officiating.
     
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  24. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I won't go so far as to say that we "beat ourselves". We just didn't play well enough to win.

    And yes, the officials did have an influence on the final score; they almost always do.
     
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  25. Paul171121

    Paul171121 Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Dec 14, 2018
    Welp
     
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