Potential European Superleague club owners that will say yes to its formation

Discussion in 'UEFA and Europe' started by pc4th, Aug 27, 2007.

  1. pc4th

    pc4th New Member

    Jun 14, 2003
    North Poll
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Glazer/Manchester United: Yes
    Hicks,Gillette/Liverpool: Yes
    Abramovich/Chelsea: Yes
    Celtic: Yes
    Ranger: Yes
    If Kroenke gets Arsenal (he paid $130 million for ITV's 9.9% stake), he is another yes as well.

    What about Bayern Munich and the big clubs in Spain and Italy?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...all.html?in_article_id=471566&in_page_id=1779

    The Celtic manager claims the various foreign owners of English clubs will be considering every option as they look for a return on their investments.

    And he can see a scenario where Premier League giants and Europe's biggest clubs launch a breakaway league, even if that was in defiance of UEFA and FIFA.

    "That's just my idea," he said, "that you might get the top 50 clubs saying, 'Right, that's enough, let's all make the cash and we'll break away, make our own leagues, and UEFA and FIFA can do what they want.'

    "You've got to remember there's people from all around the world getting English clubs now - they're big businessmen, where do they make the money?"


    Rangers/Celtics have been wanting to play in the Premiership for years. They would definately want to be in the European Superleague.

    POTENTIAL TV REVENUE

    Premiership international TV rights: $400 mil a year
    Premiership domestic TV rights: $1.1 billion a year

    An European SuperLeague might get $1 billion a year in international TV rights and $3 billion a year in domestic (England, Scotland, Italy, Spain, Germany, France, Portugal, Russia, Netherland) in TV rights.

    Total: $4 bil a year.

    Equal revenue sharing of TV rights: $4 bil / 22 clubs = $182 mil a year for each team.
     
  2. pc4th

    pc4th New Member

    Jun 14, 2003
    North Poll
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Article yesterday from the DailyMail titled "Are gang of four plotting an exit strategy?"

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...le_id=477925&in_page_id=1951&in_author_id=260

    It has only ever been a matter of time before it happens but come the first hint of Chelsea, United, Arsenal or Liverpool failing to qualify for the Champions League then it will be very much sooner rather than later.

    To hell with more than a century of tradition which has gone into the making of football into this country's most abiding sporting passion.

    Forget all those historic rivalries, Liverpool v Everton, United v City and Arsenal v Tottenham included.

    This is about hard cash and the multi-million pound signs are on the wall already.

    The first of them went up the moment Michel Platini proposed a reduction in the number of English clubs entering the Champions League.

    The gang of four went ballistic, as did their blood-money brothers in Italy and Spain who faced parallel cutbacks.

    More followed as soon as Platini suggested that one of England's qualifiers should be the FA Cup winners. United have led the protests - the English giants want the insurance of qualification through a fourth-place finish.

    So much for those honourable attempts by the new UEFA president to preserve the integrity of Europe's supreme tournament and to restore the lustre of the oldest football competition in the world.

    Platini grew up in an era when only national champions had earned the right to take part in the European Cup. He was an onlooker as the purity of Real Madrid's glittering creation was distilled into the absurd misnomer of a Champions League populated by a majority of non-champions.

    Not only is it too late now to go back to one club per country but if Platini keeps trying to spread more of the jam around the smaller nations, the sooner the G18 giants will go off to do their own thing.

    Since a rebel league would jeopardise the international game - unregistered football would banish the top players from England and the rest of the leading World Cup and European Championship nations - UEFA's only option is to keep the big clubs in-house.

    The cost of that is going to be their endorsement of a Super League which will leave domestic football in the lurch, not least financially.

    If nothing else, Platini's stand has helped blow the cover of the powerful few.

    Their negative reactions to his initiatives have amplified the hidden messages leaking out of the game.

    The massive overseas investment in English clubs always implied that those tycoons had identified riches beyond the current structure of our football.

    That threat to the status quo has been revealed by indications from Liverpool's American owners that they want to negotiate the television rights to their games independently-from the rest of the Premiership. That has been the unspoken ambition at Chelsea and United, among others, for some time.

    This is the forerunner to a Super League, where the broadcasting revenue potential is vast beyond even the Sky, Setanta and BBC deals.



    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ma...AVCBQUIV0?xml=/sport/2007/07/08/sfnrod108.xml
    Rangers need European league, says Smith
    By Roddy Forsyth, Sunday Telegraph
     
  3. zippy85

    zippy85 Red Card

    Jul 4, 2007
    England
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Wow you ar a prolific thread starter, giid ones though, if Manchester United sold just their own t.V rights they would dwarf Real Madrid in the yearly finances statement when clubs are ranked in richest order, nobody would even come close to what Manchester United would make profit, but i hope we carry on sharing :)
     
  4. AFCA

    AFCA Member

    Jul 16, 2002
    X X X rated
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    Just what football needed... :rolleyes:
     
  5. Alex_K

    Alex_K Member+

    Mar 23, 2002
    Braunschweig, Germany
    Club:
    Eintracht Braunschweig
    Nat'l Team:
    Bhutan
    Considering that Bayern have no owner, getting his opinion could be difficult.
     
  6. Hansadyret

    Hansadyret Member

    Feb 20, 2007
    Bergen, Norway
    Club:
    SK Brann Bergen
    What i think:
    Milan/Berlusconi: Yes
    Inter/Moratti: Yes
    Juve/Agnelli: Yes

    When it comes to the member owned clubs in Spain and Germany like Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich it will be more difficult and would have to be decided by a member vote. Anyway it is hard to see a superleague happening in the near future. I'm not sure it is such a finacially good move. I believe the best way is to continue to develop the CL together with the domestic leagues. It is a to drastic step to just give up all the history and traditions allready built up. In a way the CL allready is a superleague and the rich clubs are making money like never before.
     
  7. st mirren till i die

    Jul 14, 2007
    Glasgow
    Club:
    Saint Mirren FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    Breakaway leagues are just a threat the G14 use to force UEFA to bend to their will.

    If they do breakaway then fine, good riddance, they can take all of the armchair fans and glory hunters with them.
     
  8. memnoch999

    memnoch999 New Member

    Jul 27, 2007
    For the sake of football, I hope it will never happen.
     
  9. st mirren till i die

    Jul 14, 2007
    Glasgow
    Club:
    Saint Mirren FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    It'll survive just fine, maybe go back to the way things were before big TV money and massive player wages.
     
  10. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Karo Viertel
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    So how exactly would the likes of Utd and Arsenal get 70K fans in to the ground every other week if they were no longer playing in the prem :rolleyes:
     
  11. blanc

    blanc Member

    Jan 13, 2006
    Los Galácticos
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I would imagine the rationale would be that 70K+ fans would be pouring into the grounds to watch Arsenal versus Bayern Munich or Manchester United versus Real Madrid playing each other every other week .. ;)

    (am not a fan of this, BTW; stupid EPL foreign owners trying to mess with things.)
     
  12. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Karo Viertel
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    But would they?

    This is one of the seldom discussed issues, because you can forget about getting the same levels of away support.
     
  13. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
    That's what I think as well. There's already a massive gap between the football that the media pay attention to (i.e. rich leagues and rich clubs only) on the one hand and the type of football that rules the lives of the vast majority of European football fans on the other. I watch the CL for example and think to myself: I have absolutely nothing in common with that lot.
     
  14. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Karo Viertel
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Agree

    St Pauli is a great day out, but really it's not football as the global tv audience knows it.

    but you can drink beer on the terrace
     
  15. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
    Well exactly, there's still a proper football atmosphere at the smaller clubs. So let the global tv audience have their superleague and let the big clubs make their fans pay ridiculous amounts of money for a season ticket if it makes them happy.
     
  16. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Karo Viertel
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    the proper football atmos even includes hundreds of police vans and armoured vehicles with water cannons waiting for the visiting berlin fans to run amok ;D
     
  17. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
    This may sound weird and not at all politically correct but I even miss old-school rioting! At our old stadium security was poor and you could easily climb over the fence from one section to the next for example. Added an extra dimension so to speak.
     
  18. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Karo Viertel
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Klar

    Although i don't fancy getting smacked over the head
     
  19. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
    I don't think I can run away as quickly as I could back then. Also I imagine telling my little boy: 'mummy is having a rough day as she got involved in a riot at the footy yesterday'. In short, I'm deffo too old for that type of thing.
     
  20. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Karo Viertel
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    lol

    Neeskens: "Groan..."

    Scouser: "Leave mummy be son, she been fighting with the cops again"
     
  21. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
    Not the example you want to set as a responsible parent is it! In scouseland maybe but not here.
     
  22. GunnerJacket

    GunnerJacket Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 18, 2003
    Gainesville, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Dear. God. No.

    Very unfair if the clubs that happen to be the wealthiest for the moment use their prowess to determine the fate of so many others just out of spite and greed. At least through UEFA competitions they earn spots through domestic success.

    And selling individual TV rights should also be done away with. You can't have a match without an opponent, and you can't have an opponent without being part of a league or competition. That's what people are watching, that's where media deals should begin.

    Can you tell I'm against this idea? :eek:
     
  23. 96Squig

    96Squig Member

    Feb 4, 2004
    Hanover
    Club:
    Hannover 96
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    I'm actually fine with this. Most real fans wouldn't bother going to the new clubs and the atmosphere, maybe even rules would get more fan friendly in the rest of the football-world. (Terraces, beer on stands, good old fashioned riots ;-) )
    I think from germany only Bayern and maybe Schalke would want to join anyways.

    I think Red Bull Salzburg would like it, though.
     
  24. Sevryn45

    Sevryn45 New Member

    Jul 6, 2006
    European Superleague would we an awesome idea, definately a money maker.

    20 Best European Clubs.
    I would like to see something like this.

    1. FC Porto
    2. Real Madrid
    3. FC Barcelona
    4. Olympique Lyon
    5. Celtic Glasgow
    6. FC Chelsea
    7. Manchester United
    8. Ajax Amsterdam
    9. Feyenoord Rotterdam
    10. FC Bayern München
    11. Werder Bremen
    12. Inter Milan
    13. AC Milan
    14. Juventus
    15. AS Roma
    16. ZSKA Moskau
    17. Shaktar Dontesk
    18. FC Liverpool
    19. FC Arsenal
    20. Olympique Marseille

    The worst 5 clubs would be relegated to their respective leagues, and another 5 would take their place and advance to the superleague.

    Good idea but I am not exactly sure if it would be possible, definately if they decided to do this they would have to eliminate Championship League, and make the Superleague the successor and evolve it to an actual Supernational Football league.
     
  25. "Eisenfuß" Eilts

    Jul 1, 2005
    In the sun ;)
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    As well as Hoffenheim, let´s make a plastic club league.

    Let´s get the gloryhunters league started.
     

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