Potential 2030 World Cup Hosts

Discussion in 'FIFA and Tournaments' started by Nico Limmat, Jun 4, 2017.

  1. Real Mardin

    Real Mardin Member

    Galatasaray & Nottingham Forest
    Turkey
    Aug 22, 2019
    So let me bite:

    1) Racist abuse of Czech, Kosovo and England players in Bulgaria;

    2) Hooliganism in Greek football;

    3) People linked to Red Star and Partizan supporter groups arrested for organised crime offences in Serbia;

    4) Zlatan Ibrahimovic subjected to anti-Muslim abuse when playing away at Red Star Belgrade;

    5) On a similar note, while not directly football related, Red Star basketball fans protesting with an anti-Muslim banner and by boycotting matches because their club signed a Slovenian player of Muslim extraction. That numerous fans of such a prominent Serbian sports club reacted this way is perhaps indicative of a wider issue in Serbian society. Not very "Say no to racism", is it?

    6) Romania I don't have an issue with, other than compared to some of the other potential host countries it's hardly a very exotic or exciting option.


    Are these good enough reasons for you?
     
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  2. popularside

    popularside Member+

    Dec 14, 2009
    dublin
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    Ultimately there will be one UEFA supported bid. Reports here suggest the UK/Irish bid is not favoured by UEFA. It sounds like Euro2028 is the compromise.

    I really doubt UEFA will support a Balkans bid over Spain/Portugal. Then you either plough ahead of maybe get some compromises from UEFA eg a Euros or major club finals. That is the realpolitik.

    N guarantee it will go to a UEFA nation(s) of course.
     
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  3. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    While those things are bad, they sound like the sort of things that are done by a small minority of people.

    Also, Qatar says 'hi". :coffee:

    That said, I think it makes more sense for these nations to co-host a Euro first, especially since we just had a World Cup in eastern Europe.
     
  4. Every Four Years

    May 16, 2015
    Johns Creek, Georgia
    Nat'l Team:
    India
    In fairness I'm sure people said the exact same things about Russia a few years ago and it worked out perfectly fine in the end.
     
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  5. Real Mardin

    Real Mardin Member

    Galatasaray & Nottingham Forest
    Turkey
    Aug 22, 2019
    I think for me the difference is there was a lot of unfounded scaremongering regarding Russia, whereas with the Balkan bid the concerns are supported by evidence. Bulgaria has been found guilty of their fans racially abusing players on multiple occasions. Matches in Greece have been abandoned due to crowd violence. Abuse toward Muslim players in Serbia is documented. These are all factors undermining the Balkan nations’ ability to provide a safe and supportive environment to guests from all over the World in 2030. This must play on FIFA’s mind when assessing the viability of this bid.
     
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  6. Gibraldo

    Gibraldo Member

    radnicki nis
    Serbia
    Nov 17, 2005
    Pfaffenhofen / Ilm
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    And meanwhile in Spain ... https://www.marca.com/en/football/spanish-football/2021/04/05/606b13bcca4741fb4d8b45b4.html

    and one shall not forget, where Ceferin is coming from and wasn't Platini president when the Euro 2016 was awarded to France and wasn't Havelange FIFA president when we had Argentina-Spain-Mexico in row?
     
  7. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
  8. andregunts

    andregunts Member

    Real Madrid
    Jamaica
    Jun 13, 2018
    Nat'l Team:
    Jamaica
    The rules still apply where if a confederation hosted either of the previous 2 (AFC and CONCACAF) only they are exempt from hosted 2030?
     
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  9. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Who knows?

    FIFA is probably going to make the rules as they go along depending on how much money they can make.
     
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  10. AlbertCamus

    AlbertCamus Member+

    Colorado Rapids
    Sep 2, 2005
    Colorado, USA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    It’s a dumb rule, if it still exists.
     
  11. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    Why is it dumb? I thought its a reasonable way to ensure the world cup gets to different parts of the world.
     
  12. popularside

    popularside Member+

    Dec 14, 2009
    dublin
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    The rule is still in place. However there is talk it will be removed to allow China apply.
     
  13. Timanfaya

    Timanfaya Member

    May 31, 2005
    Southampton
    ^ And we know if that happens there's no point in anybody else bidding.
     
  14. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't know... the Saudis have the money and strings to pull at FIFA to make it a contest.
     
  15. r0adrunner

    r0adrunner Member+

    Jun 4, 2011
    London, UK
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    That rule only refers to the previous edition, not the last two.

    Incidentally, the biennial WC feasibility study stated that this rule could be reviewed in order to ensure a sufficiently wide pool of potential hosts for FIFA to choose from.
     
  16. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    The rule has been the last two which was why there were no European bids for 2026, but as you say it will probably be reviewed. Not sure why it would need to change if they have more world cups. More world cups means a confederation could host every six years rather than every twelve.
     
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  17. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    Yeah, if anything the rule makes even more sense if there is a WC every 2 years.

    It seems a bit odd that, say, Japan or Australia can't host 2030 just because Qatar bought the 2022 WC. But to me the rule makes sense in almost every other case. Especially if a WC is co-hosted by 2-4 countries, like 2026.
     
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  18. AlbertCamus

    AlbertCamus Member+

    Colorado Rapids
    Sep 2, 2005
    Colorado, USA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    It unnecessarily restrains bids. Qatar - then 8 years later to China or Japan or Australia does not seem like a problem. In fact, less of a problem than Qatar to Egypt, which are both in the Middle East. Same for Russia (eastern Europe); then 8 later to Western Europe - say Spain. 8 years is a long time; I'm fine if after 2018, Russia, 2026 had been in Europe. Same for 2030 being in Japan, Korea, Australia, or China. I just don't see Qatar as culturally or geographically related, even if they share a continent.
     
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  19. mfw13

    mfw13 Member+

    Jul 19, 2003
    Seattle
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Because there's no way those countries pony up the money to build the minimum TWELVE 50,000+ stadia, especially since most of them would end up being white elephants afterwards, just like many of the stadia in South Africa, Brazil, and Russia.

    The Spanish/Portugese bid is much more logical if you plan on giving UEFA hosting rights, since you already have nine 50,000+ stadia in those two countries.
     
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  20. jesta

    jesta Member

    Feb 9, 2014
    not so sure how stadium allocation would be, but if done smart most of those stadiums would be used well. apart from that couple of good ones already exist in the region
    still, no way this bid wins any time soon, if ever.
     
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  21. Timanfaya

    Timanfaya Member

    May 31, 2005
    Southampton
    BBC: The UK and Republic of Ireland football associations have agreed not to bid for the 2030 World Cup.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60285799
     
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  22. pipinogol

    pipinogol Member+

    May 20, 2016
    Club:
    Cary RailHawks U23
    2030 will be in Spain and Portugal 200% sure.

    With unanymous UEFA support they already have too many votes and they can also "buy" a lot of votes from Asia as well.

    Morocco doesn't even have unanymous support in Africa.

    And unfortunately the south american bid is dead, the Argentinian government has basically withdrawn support and the region as a whole is not economically attractive enough for FIFA or sponsors to get money (the thing they care about the most).
     
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  23. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Inb4 CR7's recruited to take pictures with shady Central Asian heads of state :ROFLMAO:
     
  24. r0adrunner

    r0adrunner Member+

    Jun 4, 2011
    London, UK
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    According to the current FIFA statutes, it is only one edition. See article 68 paragraph 4 below.

    The right to host the event shall not be awarded to members of the same confederation for two consecutive editions of the FIFA World Cup™.

    Therefore China can bid to host the 2030 FWC.
     
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  25. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    You are right in saying that's what FIFA regulations currently say. Not sure when it changed but the rule was two consecutive tournaments after a confederation hosted which was in place for world cups 2018 (CAF and CONMEBOL ineligible), 2022 (UEFA and CONMEBOL ineligible) and 2026 (AFC and UEFA ineligible). It will be interesting to see what happens if an AFC nation bids for 2030.
     
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