Potential 2030 World Cup Hosts

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  1. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    There is a very large population base in east Asia, but right now the big money for tv rights is in the other hemisphere. It may be a bit different in 30 years time, who knows, but we are not a contender for 2030 and may not be for some time after that. Including New Zealand would be then only way of ever getting a World Cup to OFC, there may be some political push for that to happen at some stage, but it wont be until the finances are somewhat close to what they can get with world cups in other parts of the world. Having said that I don't think stadia and other infrastructure will be a problem. The risks are all on the financial side.
     
  2. Ofori

    Ofori Red Card

    Inter Milan
    Ghana
    May 9, 2020
    But as far as the race to host 2030...right now the strongest bids:

    South America- Argentina/Chile/Paraguay/Uruguay (confirmed)

    Europe- Portugal/Spain (confirmed)

    Europe- Bulgaria, Greece, Romania and Serbia (confirmed)

    Africa- Morocco (confirmed)


    The UK bid even though it is strong, I just read it is still a potential bid but it is not confirmed

    Other potential bids: Egypt (singular host), Cameroon (singular host), and the other potential bid is another South America bid of Ecuador/Colombia/Peru

    Reading this off GOAL.com
     
  3. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
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    Orlando City SC
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    United States
    No way two Conmebol bids make it to FIFA...

    Either some formal primaries will be held, or some internal politics will determine which of CHUPAR and the rumored Andean bid would get Conmebol's support.
     
  4. Ofori

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    Inter Milan
    Ghana
    May 9, 2020
    I know that but it was just off the article I read
     
  5. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    Sure its a lot of money, but for most World Cups the kick off times are very awkward for big chunks of the USA. So its not a big change from the norm if a WC were to be played in Aussie/NZ. In fact, you'll have a game in prime time every night during a Aus/NZ WC for both the West and East coast viewers.
     
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  6. HomietheClown

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    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
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    #581 HomietheClown, Jun 15, 2021
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    You would?
    The Youth World Cup in NZ times were horrible for US markets.

    Same for Australia Olympic matches.
     
  7. PabloSanDiego

    PabloSanDiego Member+

    West Ham United
    United States
    Jan 18, 2014
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    to me "very awkward" means middle of the night, like between midnight and 6AM. While European based tournaments may not be convenient for Americans who work during the day, at least it's during the day with some early morning kickoffs.

    For example a 1PM kickoff in Spain is 4AM in San Diego and 7AM in NYC, but that's the first game with the others happening during the day. A late 9PM kickoff in Spain is 3PM in NYC and noon in San Diego. All do-able although some skipping out of work is necessary.

    A 1PM kickoff in Sydney is 8PM in San Diego but 11PM in NYC - late for East Coasters on a work night but do-able (I just wouldn't say "prime time"). The later afternoon kickoffs are happening in the middle of the night but a 9PM Sydney kickoff is 7AM on the US East Coast.

    New Zealand is 2 hours ahead of Australia's east coast, so just subtract 2 hours. Which puts that 1pm Auckland kickoff right in NYC's prime time as you said. Unfortunately it's also 3AM in Western Europe.

    Nothing is ideal but I think most Americans would prefer the European start times.
     
  8. Ofori

    Ofori Red Card

    Inter Milan
    Ghana
    May 9, 2020
    Hoping South America gets it for 2030 still
     
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  9. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    Oh right, I didn't factor-in the clock change. We get doubly screwed by that because not only does the US move 1 hour forward, but NZ & Aus move 1 hour backward. So would only have a prime time game in US east coast each night if the WC was held in NZ/Australia's summer or spring.

    For me its still debatable which is worse. For European WCs work gets in the way (saw very little of France - Germany today, for instance). In a NZ/AUS world cup that would never happen. I can stay up late or wake up early and watch a match on tape-delay without risk of getting it spoiled.
     
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  10. PabloSanDiego

    PabloSanDiego Member+

    West Ham United
    United States
    Jan 18, 2014
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    sadly I think it's all moot anyway. Unless I missed it, I don't think there are even any rumors of an Australian Men's World Cup bid, are there? Not that I plan to watch very much of it, but timewise we can see how things work out with the 2023 Women's World Cup in Australia/New Zealand. I'm not waking up at 3am to watch any matches but might catch one here and there.

    I know the Aussies are bidding on the 2027 Rugby World Cup though, and that is something I'd love to attend. Also, I've read about talk of a Summer Olympics bid in Queensland for the 2032 Games. I really enjoyed my very short visit there in 2019 and would love to go back and either of those would be a good excuse to go.
     
  11. mfw13

    mfw13 Member+

    Jul 19, 2003
    Seattle
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    The problem is that by expanding to 48 teams, you limit the number of viable host countries even further.

    I don't think that there are any viable host countries in either Africa or South America for a 48-team tournament unless you are willing to tolerate tons wasteful spending on white elephant stadia (like WC 2010 & WC 2014).

    So unless FIFA is willing to consider multi-country hosting arrangements on a regular basis (like WC 2002 and WC 2026), the options shrink tremendously.

    Outside of Europe, the USA, and China, there just aren't that many countries where having 10-12 stadiums with 50,000+ seats makes sense.
     
  12. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    There is no talk of bidding for a men's world cup. Currently there are two announced bidders for the 2027 Rugby World Cup (Australia and Russia). There has been some speculation that the USA may bid. The Olympics adopted a new process that isn't necessarily based on a competing bid process. They now have a commission which has a two stage process of continuous dialogue (discussing options with cities interested at bidding at some point in the future) and targeted dialogue (discussions for a specific year). Cities in the targeted dialogue are referred to as preferred hosts. Brisbane is currently the only preferred host for the 2032 games. They received IOC board approval on June 10 and it goes to a full IOC vote on July 21.
     
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  13. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    I'm sure FIFA is considering that but even with multi-country hosts the options are quite limited outside Europe. I mean, what are we looking at? Maybe north and south parts of South America, North Africa southeast Asia and, I dunno, China-Taiwan-HK?

    So grand total of 5? :laugh:
     
  14. PabloSanDiego

    PabloSanDiego Member+

    West Ham United
    United States
    Jan 18, 2014
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    China has the money and the desire and the capability to solo bid. There's going to be a solo WC there, just a matter of when. As you've said they are one of the very few. As for a joint China-Taiwan bid, you've got to be kidding right? Do you follow world politics at all? And KHG is part of China. I won't go into those politics.

    I read that some Southeast Asians countries have floated the idea, and it's a total pipe dream at the very least for 20 years There is one suitable stadium in the region (Singapore's National Stadium) and even that's not big enough. I've been to many games all over Thailand and even been to Lao's National Stadium. These places would need massive investment to come up to WC standards. And there just isn't enough money in the region to do it. Maybe each of the 10 ASEAN countries could ante up 1 stadium each but it's logistically difficult and financially impossible.

    A North Africa bid may be feasible. But I don't know enough to know how feasible. Morocco, Algeria, Egypt (I guess Tunisia and Libya too). count me in.

    For sure South American can pull off a multi country bid. I don't know enough to say which combination of countries is best but I would love to attend any combination that may come up.

    Multi-nation bids are the future. China is an exception. I don't have an issue with that. And I think there are several other feasible and really fun sounding possibilities.
     
  15. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    Yes, I know its all China. Just spelling it out. As should FIFA because there is a huge difference in appeal b/w mainland China host (hard pass for me) versus China + Islands.
     
  16. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
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    I think it was Rummenigge years ago who said he would like to see a joint-bid with Central American Nations.
    Probably not likely to ever happen but maybe with some help, Half the games in Mexcio (I know they are not Central America) and then Honduras,Costa Rica, El Slavador, Guatemala hosting a Group or the first couple rounds or something.
     
  17. Every Four Years

    May 16, 2015
    Johns Creek, Georgia
    Nat'l Team:
    India
    I like this, and wouldn't mind seeing more of this in the future. Have one big country as the main host, and let others who can't host on their own host a few games here and there. Say Germany hosts, maybe have a group or two play in the Netherlands or Belgium. They will never host on their own now with the expansion, and with the extra games surely the Germans couldn't begrudge them the odd group game.
     
  18. Every Four Years

    May 16, 2015
    Johns Creek, Georgia
    Nat'l Team:
    India
    Of that bunch I presume Morocco and Egypt will provide the bulk of the venues, maybe one or two stadiums each from Algeria and Tunisia, and from Libya maybe just the national stadium.
     
  19. PabloSanDiego

    PabloSanDiego Member+

    West Ham United
    United States
    Jan 18, 2014
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think it would be a great tournament that I'd love to attend. But I don't think it's very likely. I say that without really knowing the politics, just imagining that getting the 5 countries to coordinate like this would be difficult. This is probably Morocco's only path forward. But a Morocco-Egypt WC with 1 stadium each in the other 3 countries sounds great to me.
     
  20. PabloSanDiego

    PabloSanDiego Member+

    West Ham United
    United States
    Jan 18, 2014
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A lot of my comments about a Southeast Asia/ASEAN bid apply here. Getting a large number of countries to coordinate isn't easy, especially when money is short. Then there's the logistics issues to iron out. I know this bid would be far in the future, but right now several of these countries have a lot of very serious issues and investing in a WC can't be a priority.

    But who knows in 20-30 years. And like you said, throw Mexico in the mix and it becomes more plausible. Of course Mexico is a minor host in 2026 so there needs to be time between hosting but time is what's needed for a bid like this to become even remotely possible.

    This won't happen during my World Cup attending timeframe, but maybe it'll happen someday. I hope so.
     
  21. Ofori

    Ofori Red Card

    Inter Milan
    Ghana
    May 9, 2020
    But for 2030 even if South America doesn't get the bid, then the Iberian bid of Spain/Portugal as co hosts is probably the 2nd strongest official confirmed bid
     
  22. mfw13

    mfw13 Member+

    Jul 19, 2003
    Seattle
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    The real question is whether, given how much money they get from TV rights, FIFA cares about fan attendance and fan experiences. Because outside of Western Europe and China, Japan, & South Korea, there are no other parts of the world that have the high-speed rail necessary to make moving from one venue to another easy for fans.

    I attended five consecutive World Cups (Italia 90, USA 94, France 98, Japan/Korea 02, and Germany 06). All of them were great experiences because (aside from USA 94) they had high-speed rail, which meant that you could base yourself in one city and take the train to matches in other cities.

    I did not attend South Africa 10, Brazil 14, and Russia 18 because the logistics and cost were too daunting. And FIFA isn't doing fans any favors by having teams playing their three group games in three different cities, often ones far apart from each other.

    And judging by the match plan for 2026, FIFA isn't planning to make things any easier for fans.

    Spain/Portugal would be great for 2030 because you could base yourself in Madrid and get to every match fairly easily. Whereas a multi-nation South American bid would be a logistical nightmare for fans.
     
  23. PabloSanDiego

    PabloSanDiego Member+

    West Ham United
    United States
    Jan 18, 2014
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think you're right that FIFA doesn't care if there is high speed rail between host cities in the bids. Maybe it scores bids a bit more points, but those evaluations all seem rigged anyway.

    I attended the 2 WCs you avoided, Brazil and Russia, for over 3 weeks each and didn't ride a single train between cities for either. Lots of short haul flights though. The fact is that both were very well attended so I don't think FIFA feels any sort of pressure to only select bids that feature trains.

    As you said these multi-country bids will often require flights with the added time of clearing customs and immigration, although I think [hope] that some sort of special World Cup visa will be used to allow for more efficient travel between countries. It'll be less convenient for sure, but not necessarily a "nightmare" if it's done right. More of just a pain in the ass - and costly.

    I'm agreeing with what you said, just saying I don't think this a concern for FIFA because the stadiums will still be packed.
     
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  24. mfw13

    mfw13 Member+

    Jul 19, 2003
    Seattle
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    I agree with you that I don't think that this is a concern for FIFA....in fact, making attending a World Cup more difficult and costly may actually be considered a feature, rather than a bug, for FIFA, since it forces fans to spend more money on travel between cities, and there gives a bigger boost to the economy of the host nation(s).

    The obvious thing to do would be to assign specific groups to specific cities, but I think the last time that was done was WC 1990. And it would be really easy to do for WC 2026, since each group will feature only three matches, but the preliminary match schedule for 2026 has all three group stage matches in three different cities, as usual.
     
  25. PabloSanDiego

    PabloSanDiego Member+

    West Ham United
    United States
    Jan 18, 2014
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think there will be consideration for group stage travel in WC26 (please excuse me, I know this is the WC30 thread). I hope they wouldn't make a team play in say Edmonton, Mexico City, then Seattle. But then some teams had some pretty long travel in both Brazil and Russia. So FIFA could do anything.
     

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