Post-Match USMNT vs. Uruguay 9/10

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by largegarlic, Sep 10, 2019.

  1. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Young FC Dallas players are lovable to their coaches. Don't you all remember McKennie's nickname?
     
  2. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I noticed something seemed off with Cannon because as you point out players were pulling away from him before he got subbed. He got wiped out a few times and once was bad as he was down holding his foot or ankle for a minute. I suspect he was injured because he has almost the recovery pace of Yedlin normally.
     
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  3. Master O

    Master O Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You think USSF gives a damn about people like you at all?
     
  4. goussoccer

    goussoccer Member+

    May 23, 2001
    Avon, CT
    I must have yelled 'move the ball!', 42 times at the TV last night. Make a pass or make a run, but don't sit there with the ball at your feet.

    Uruguay players were just more 'sophisticated' in their runs and decision making. They just have a much better feel for the game it seemed to me. And that was not their D team.

    And can the US STOP PLAYING ON NEWLY LAID SOD FIELDS!!! THEY SUCK, the game is different and the fields are not really that safe. Looking at all those huge divots was just freaking embarrassing.
     
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  5. Cannons

    Cannons Member+

    May 16, 2005
    its good not to lose again but Im sure GB will take that to mean that his system is working. It really isnt but we looked better because Uruguay wasnt pressing much and we didnt have to play 2 men down like we do when we have Trapp and Zardes on the field.

    Looking forward...easier games coming that we should win and that will just embolden GB into thinking were doing something right. I fully expect to see Bradley back and maybe even Jozy though we should move on from them at this point. GB is always going to go back to Zardes and its a mistake. He does nothing out there. Also, please lose Guzan's phone number. He scares me and there are far better GKs in MLS right now than him.

    The problem last night was center mids. Bad passes, no creativity, few feeds to Sargent. Need to fix that and get somebody in there that can actually set up forwards, who ever they are. Sargent needs to stay with the team. He is the future and can only develop if hes part of the plan.
     
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  6. wrench

    wrench Member+

    May 12, 2007
    NYC
    Club:
    Arsenal FC

    Personally, I think we have the horses. I think our horses were not let loose to run. Trying the same thing over and over when it is not working is, well, you know what it is.

    BTW, how embarrassing and dangerous is playing on a fake field. It is shameful that we do this. Construct a stadium along the lines of Wembley that is a pleasure to play at and meaningful to defend. After all, we make quite a few bucks playing these games and the Federation is doing ok.
     
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  7. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    We're not going to build a national stadium. Not happening.

    We have plenty of soccer specific stadia in this country, and plenty of NFL stadia that work fine.

    I think this has more to do with the federation (which is SUM/MLS/USSF together) wanting to really promote the game in their upcoming MLS market. A market where they're trying to come up with a SSS plan for their new team......................
     
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  8. CeltTexan

    CeltTexan Member+

    Sep 21, 2000
    Houston, TX USA
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good on ya for pointing this out. As we have passed 100 years of playing other nations, I enjoy these type of stats. Certainly as we near the centennial 1930-2030 World Cup event. Uruguay to host.

    Correct.
    Noticed this as well this morning. This thread is easily the shortest post match thread I can recall on our boards. Not like we played Barbados or the like now is it.
    The rise our soccer culture went on from 1990 to 2002 was amazing! Then 2002 till 2014 likewise on many fronts. Yet this next 12 year run has started out like a kick to the nuts. Expectations, disaster in the Hex, finding a coach. A quality coach that is and now this apathy you speak of is setting in for some. Keep the faith sports fans! I want to be in that number!
     
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  9. Master O

    Master O Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’ve totally lost faith in US Soccer. It’s not gonna get any better for generations. For this federation, it’s all about the Benjamins. That’s it.
     
  10. CeltTexan

    CeltTexan Member+

    Sep 21, 2000
    Houston, TX USA
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You do know your soccer. So not gonna side step the truth you could be speaking on.
    And many of us do feel the future looks bleak. Certainly on where we ought to be all the years on from USA1994.
    I just have a gut feeling that something, someone is going to help unlock the beautiful game in our sports crazed culture that allows for soccer to really have a banner era for growth. Our USSF suits be damned!
     
  11. harttbeat

    harttbeat Member

    Dec 29, 1998
    New York
    The fact we only have 3 pages of post game analysis is pretty alarming
     
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  12. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Just so we're clear...............its always been about the Benjamins.

    To be frank, people need to stop blaming "the federation" for the state of the USMNT. The problem, one that was exposed plainly for all to see starting with the failed 2016 Olympic qualifying campaign...................was a colossal gap in our development programs. The talent coming out of MLS hasn't been there. There was very little talent in that Olympic qualifying group which translated to little "in their prime" talent during 2018WCQing (so we had to rely on over-the-hill players that people turned into scapegoats). So we're in a transition right now where we have a lot of young players and old players hanging on. When one asks where the "in their prime" 26-27 year olds are, there are very few.

    The USSF doesn't develop players. I'm sorry. That has nothing to do whatsoever with "the federation." They provide a framework for the Development Academy. But in case folks haven't noticed, there is no Bradenton anymore. Player development is now in the hands of the clubs. Those clubs now in 2019 are really starting to churn out young talent in large numbers. We've now been to back-to-back-to-back U20 World Cup quarterfinals. Those players are coming, but they're not ready for prime time yet. People apparently thought we were just going to turn the USMNT into a U20 team and we'd automatically fix the problems. Those kids need a lot more experience.

    Blah, blah, blah...................the federation is an easy target because its kind of a nameless beaurocracy. Its like people blaming "government" for the problems. Never mind that they never went to college and have no appreciable job skills. Its the "government's fault" that they're broke. The problem with the USMNT isn't the federation. The problem with the USMNT is a lack of talent. Arsene Wenger could be made USMNT coach tomorrow, and have a really tough time with this pool of players. People know who the leading domestic goalscorers in MLS are, right? Zardes, Wondolowski, and Altidore. OK. Unimpressed. So we go with Josh Sargent. A bench player in the Bundesliga that's scored three career first team goals. One of those from 6 inches out that was going in anyway. I'm ecstatic if we turn the forward job over to him (I'd rather go with him than Zardes), but he's a giant question mark. He hasn't DONE anything yet. Paxton Pomykal has played less than 30 career first team soccer games. Are we expecting Paxton Pomykal to compete successfully against Uruguayan veterans at this point?

    Anyway, i can rant on for hours about this. The problem isn't that the federation is interested in making money. The German and Argentine and Ghanaian federations are also all about making money. That's what they do. That's what they're there for. They're not charities for Pete's sake.
     
  13. yabo

    yabo Member+

    Jun 1, 2000
    Poolesville, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm curious whether in Germany the federation had some influence on team player development, such as seed funding?
     
  14. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Memphis, Tn
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    chest pass? youre a ridiculous person.
     
  15. Dr Jay

    Dr Jay BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 7, 1999
    Newton, MA USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Except Bradley's corners are better !
     
  16. Caulfield

    Caulfield Member

    May 31, 2004
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’ve been hearing this same shit for well over a decade. Everything is already right around the corner.
     
  17. ttrevett

    ttrevett Member+

    Apr 2, 2002
    Atlanta, GA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That looked like me and my sons who don't play soccer trying to play keepy uppy. That is pathetic. There are 15 million Brasilians who play foot volleyball (or whatever they call it) on the beaches who could look better than that.
     
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  18. KALM

    KALM Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Boston/Providence
    I don't know if there's some big step forward right around the corner. I've been hearing that for well over two decades, so I'm just as skeptical as you are now.

    But it does appear there was a significant drop in talent within the age group that includes our veterans and older prime age players, and so I'm much more hopeful that we're right around the corner from moving past that lull. At the least, we may be just around the corner from returning to our 2002-2014 talent level (in which we won the Hex 3 out of 3 times, and made it to the World Cup knockout stages 3 out of 4 times). The coaching is obviously still a big question mark though.
     
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  19. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    you're about to play games that count and had a potentially useful weekend with two games. you selected so poorly and ran out the team so oddly and conservatively, what did you really just learn that will adjust the team for the next one? maybe morris should start? beyond that you arguably instead proved a longer list of people SHOULDN'T PLAY but your approach to this opportunity then leaves you in the conundrum of not knowing answers to the questions you just created.

    either playing them the rest of the fall or making changes during games that count. because who else have we looked at all summer.

    don't like guzan? which other keepers have we seen?

    think LB is a mess? well, given the road he took, who plays next time to change that?

    his impact attackers routinely came off the bench. his midfield sucked.

    and while i feel like we learned a positive lesson on morris, the people he ran sargent out with hide whether he belongs out there.
     
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  20. Brock Hannsen

    Brock Hannsen Member+

    Feb 3, 2014
    Hartford, CT
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    That game was a waste of time garbage fire.
     
  21. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    the beauty of setting it up that way is it's a running accountability dodge. think it's not good enough now? just wait.
     
  22. gnk

    gnk Member

    Nov 1, 2000
    Rockville, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don’t want to be labeled a eurosnob but maybe i am. But if you look at the number of US eligible players under the age of 25 playing in the Bundesliga, Eredevisie and premiere league and in some cases top teams, it’s far more players than ever before. Then add in the players that are one level below like Richards at Bayern, Llanez at Wolfsburg, Reyna at BVB, etc., plus the youngsters in MLS who are getting lots of minutes like Cannon and Pomykal to name a few, i want to believe we will see a rise in our national team play, maybe not in the next 12 months but maybe within 2-3 years. And hopefully by the time 2026 WC rolls around we will be back at or near the 2002 level team. It is obvious to me at least that the US players that are technically in their prime years for football are exceedingly average at best and of course they won’t get appreciably better at this stage in their careers.
     
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  23. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    all due respect to the Fed didn't do it, but while i expect some variation in quality, the development for a period went to trash. and i still think from the grandstands that for a lot of effort in a direction -- part of what results in the outcome players -- they scrubbed off the old useful grit and then didn't exactly create lionel messi. like a bunch of 8s out there. the average player is more technical but also more soft. but arguably not so technical we get the value of being a softer set of players. and broken record but i am looking for great attackers or great defenders and instead i see a lot of "two way" types lauded for being good at something besides the core competency of their position. based on what i am watching i don't care if they run up and down the field, i want a forward who can stick a ball in the net, a mid who can create, and a defender who can stop things. people who can do their jobs.

    there were few players other than lima or morales who played with the required intensity. i am not even holding them up as paragons of what the soccer should look like. but at this level everyone is good and you either need to be better or fight like hell. if we think getting dirt under our nails is anathema now, then you better be producing pulisics in bulk who can simply outplay the region.
     
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  24. ttrevett

    ttrevett Member+

    Apr 2, 2002
    Atlanta, GA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For the first time in a long time, I didn't watch. I didn't care to watch. I watched the Mexico game for the first half, and just couldn't tolerate wasting any more of my time on this team. I've been a fan since 1994, and on these boards for a while. I've never been a fan of a professional soccer team specifically rather followed the teams with Yanks on them. My favorite soccer team has always been the USMNT. I have fallen waaaay out of love with this team, this federation and its coaches. I might have to just take a long break and see how I feel, but at this point I am more apt to watch my Braves play than watch these idiots flail around a pitch for 90 minutes looking clueless.
     
  25. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    the flaw in this is they are on rosters but not necessarily playing. soto, wood, and quite a few other talented players contributing to this level of expeditionary players, don't get much of the benefit of it. others get loaned out. i think there are plenty of people playing out there, but many are really in the english championship, holland, bottom tier B.1.

    but the problem is where MLS used to pick up the slack, it now is becoming more precarious a ledge as well. DPs plus international slots allow teams to start majority foreign lineups. you are then picking from 5 or fewer domestics per MLS team. players like zelalem who can't fit in there don't necessarily fit in here either. players like carleton who were prominent in prior YNT generations can disappear. it has become less of a firm foundation to churn out domestic baseline talent no matter how high stakes europe goes. we are getting just as picky, and generally outsourcing 9 and 10 choices abroad. it has to hit the NT if almost every 9 and 10 at every MLS team is an import. even jozy, in a way, is an import, bought at full price from europe. how many good 9s and 10s are we growing here, or have we set up a system to shove them aside. and then voila we seem to produce water carrier second rate 8s in bulk. which does you no good when you need great passes or a stop.

    i also think your approach is all wrong. pomykal in 5 minutes looked better than the veteran people who get chosen based on being more established at their clubs. you are letting the club teams effectively dictate our evaluation and integration of talent. the result is precisely as pomykal said. i get to watch 28 year old mediocrities now and maybe the kids in a few years. we waste time on players who can't score or produce in double games but aren't interested in moving forward. it's not that we need to wait. it's we know the present doesn't work but are stuck in terms of moving forward. buying their rhetoric is a mistake. the talent on this team is the kids and i would instead be throwing them out there and letting them make the case here why their club coaches are stupid.
     
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