Portugal's wacky Political situation

Discussion in 'Portugal: NSR' started by ---Z---, Nov 11, 2015.

  1. ---Z---

    ---Z--- Member+

    Cagalhao
    Nov 2, 2005
    CAMPEAO
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Can people who reside there please explain what is happening?

    I have been trying to read and educate myself on it.

    what are your thoughts on the austerity controversy and Antonio Costa's left wing alliance that seems set to take over? Is this a good or a bad thing and why?

    I want this to be a open forum educated debate. I promise I won't troll and am not intending to cause any controversy.

    I did study an economics class before but it was long ago and am trying to learn more about this issue.
     
  2. ibbyruns

    ibbyruns Member

    Nov 17, 2009
    Barcelona
    Club:
    --other--
    I am not living in Portugal, but I can say that the issue of austerity and anti-austerity movements is a big topic here in Catalunya and most of Western Europe in general. The way in which Costa's left government has been formed reminded me of the Junts pel Sí movement in Catalunya -- a group of different parties which different ideologies coming together for a specific cause. In Portugal's case, a movement against austerity.

    It seems that the Portuguese economy was slowly growing but obviously with many cuts to the public services. The situation between the Syriza party in Greece and the EU has already set a powerful precedent -- Costa has said that he plans on following all of the EU's austerity measures. Now we see if Silva will ask Costa to form a government or hold new elections. Important days for Portugal's future.
     
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  3. CDPontaDelgada

    CDPontaDelgada Member+

    CD Santa Clara
    Aug 15, 2012
    Ponta Delgada PT
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Portugal is on course to repay the IMF unlike Spain (who risk the threat of Regions voting for Inpedendence and not Autonomy).

    out of all the countries with austerity measures Portugal is actually growing unlike Spain and Greece with 27% unemployment.

    unemployment in Portugal is at 12.2% down from alot higher and is predicted to go down
     
  4. CDPontaDelgada

    CDPontaDelgada Member+

    CD Santa Clara
    Aug 15, 2012
    Ponta Delgada PT
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    My view is that Portugal is too Socialist for its own good.

    Socialist societies are good if the majority of the people are working and a good flow of income from Taxes, tourism, Internal investment are being accounted for also the Population of Portugal is getting older and do not work simplu due to retirement funds ( which throught Austerity many people received cuts in their retirement pensions).

    What Portugal needs to do is to try to block monopolies which in my opinion is Portugal biggest problem stopping corporations from creating monopolies opens up much more development for other companies which increases production and also increases jobs which create more tax money.
     
  5. CDPontaDelgada

    CDPontaDelgada Member+

    CD Santa Clara
    Aug 15, 2012
    Ponta Delgada PT
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Living in Portugal as someone who also lives and lived many years in the U.S. will open anyones eyes into politics and how govermentz try to create utopias and why they are not ideal.

    Socailism is only good when it covers education, healthcare and for the very ill and desitute.

    Capitilism in Portugal exists but due to monopolies they charge whatever they want and its capitalism taken to an extreme once there is a monopoly

    just take a look at companies like SATA, TAP, MEO and you"ll see my point
     
  6. benficafan3

    benficafan3 Member+

    Nov 16, 2005
    Socialism is not good in any sense. Quality falls as a result, 100% of the time.
     
  7. benficafan3

    benficafan3 Member+

    Nov 16, 2005
    I'm not sure of what example you are referring to specifically, but Portugal's government was very likely involved in creating the monopolies you speak of. If they weren't, then that means that whatever company became a monopoly became such purely because the market (aka the Portuguese people) liked them enough to keep giving them their money. To break that up would be inefficient in a market sense.
     
  8. NotreDameFlamengo

    Jul 25, 2011
    Raleigh, NC
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    It's bad to generalize this to a few sentences, but these anti-austerity parties through Europe and the Far Left parties in South America and Latin America are not sustainable models at all. And there are loads of cases and instances to back this up. There are no cases where this has been sustainable in the long run. In today's age these parties are using it to gain and/or stay in power. And there is always a size of the population that continues to fall for this old and tired scheme, as they want more and want to work less to get it. Greece is the perfect example of a developed and modern nation to fall for this shit. They lived in an unsustainable model for so long, that they now believe they are entitled to that lifestyle, and will grasp on to any candidate that tells them it wasn't their fault and that they can continue living it.
     
  9. Ribeiro dos Reis

    Mar 17, 2012
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    I have no clue about what you're talking about. What Socialism?

    Portugal has 4 telecommunications services. Meo is just one of them.
     
  10. eurodad

    eurodad Member

    Mar 15, 2005
    Brampton
    Using Portugal as an example of why socialism does not work is not fair. If you look at the Scandinavian countries, they are very socialist and they have a quite good standard of living. There are example of good and bad socialist countries as the are good and bad for very open free open capitalist countries.
    I personally prefer a mix/blend of both
     
  11. benficafan3

    benficafan3 Member+

    Nov 16, 2005
    Scandinavian countries are not very socialist. They have generally capitalist markets, with social safety nets. Not the same thing as socialism.

    There are only bad socialist countries as socialism is bad.
     
  12. JoseEmidio

    JoseEmidio Member+

    Dec 6, 2009
    London
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Scandinavian countries are socialist democratic countries, most people in America and I am guessing since I have never been there and never will, think socialism = communism. You pay much more tax in these countries compared to the U.S.A but as all the indexes keep on showing the Northern European Socialist countries are the best, unlike the Southern European variety that even though they actually work more have living standards significantly lower and I am not talking about just GDP, people in Scandinavian countries have the best quality of life for almost everybody unlike the U.S.A. and United Kingdom that are only for the rich, you either make it or you fall through the cracks. I am going to live in Madeira in a couple of years time and then I will be able to really comment as I have very little experience of Portugal. However I will say something that will shock you, overall South Africa is better than England but then I am not motivated by money.
     
  13. JoseEmidio

    JoseEmidio Member+

    Dec 6, 2009
    London
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    As you probably guessed I am a lefty, not a Obama/Clinton Liberal, I like the geringonça but I am not a communist even though I will read Marx's Das Capital as it is a classic but I have something like 500 books to read that I get free from work, although I cannot choose which ones. They are old orders that go in the rubbish because of space issues and so I take them home, I have collected a small library that will be read in Madeira. When I am in Madeira I will only buy Portuguese language books. So I don't have to mention what I think of Trump and May (British Prime Minister).
     

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