Pon Rafa de CONTENCION.

Discussion in 'Mexico National Team' started by el mero mero, Jul 15, 2009.

  1. el mero mero

    el mero mero New Member

    Mar 21, 2005
    Santa Úrsula
    I know Mexican media read this forum, time to pile on the pressure to have Rafa play midfield.
     
  2. Puma76

    Puma76 Member

    Aug 30, 2007
    Oakland Ca.
    Club:
    Pumas UNAM
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    He is not fast enough imo.
     
  3. Mexcellence

    Mexcellence Member+

    Oct 12, 2007
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    No es mala idea, es buen pasador. Mucho mejor que Torrado y mas tactico.

    Tambien gana balones por arriba.

    ---------------------Ochoa-------------------
    ---------------------------------------------------------
    -----Rojas-------Galindo/Magallon------Cervantes/Moreno-------Guti------
    ---------------------------------------------------
    ----------------I. Castro--------Marquez----------------
    ---------------------------------------------------
    ------------Giovanni----------------------------Guardado-------------
    -----------------------------------------------------------
    --------------Vela-----------------Nery/Bofo/Mendivil-----------

    Rojas y Guti son rapidos para que se combinen en la banda con Gio y Guardado.


    subs

    Arellano
    Barrera
    Pacheco
    Noriega
     
  4. el mero mero

    el mero mero New Member

    Mar 21, 2005
    Santa Úrsula
    ^^^
     
  5. el mero mero

    el mero mero New Member

    Mar 21, 2005
    Santa Úrsula
    I havent watched the Gold Cup matches, but I hear that they are starting to switch to a 4-3-3


    Gio, Vela, and some other shit striker up top

    Rafa with two center mids in front of him

    and then a back line of 4

    Rafa can direct the entire team from the d-mid spot


    Rafa doesnt need speed when you have the sense of positioning that he has, he always knows where he needs to be so he doesnt need speed to make up for a lack of positioning.


    I think Mexico needs Rafa as the d-mid in a 4-3-3 or 4-1-4-1, however Carillo wants to utilize it.


    If he is the Kaiser de Michoacan how he is known, they might as well give him the freedom to roam the field where he feels he needs to be or where to dictate the circulation of the ball and so on.
     
  6. Mexcellence

    Mexcellence Member+

    Oct 12, 2007
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    ----------------------Ochoa----------------------
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    ------Magallon--------Galindo-------Cervantes-------Moreno------
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    -----------Giovanni--------------Marquez---------------Guardado---------
    -------------------------------------------------------------------
    ------------Nery--------------(Tronco)--------------Vela-------------

    Tall ass tronco defense, means they have to stay and defend and can't push up since they are not very fast. But that height would give an advantage in favor for set pieces and in defense since most of concacrap tries to bunker and beat Mexico on headers. A defense of 4 that stays back would also relieve some of the defensive duties Gio and Guardado have to do to help out Marquez.

    Pick your tronco target forward

    I. Castro over Magallon if he doesn't get in rythim.
     
  7. el mero mero

    el mero mero New Member

    Mar 21, 2005
    Santa Úrsula
    Gives me an idea


    ..................Corona

    .?..............?.........?...........?

    .................Marquez

    ........I Castro........Guardado

    Gio/Nery.........................Vela

    ..................?





    Gio is a winger, not a central mid, a center mid, gives and goes, he directs the ball where it needs to be, Gio just sorta gets it and thinks he is Messi or Ronaldinho circa 2005. Guardado can play that central spot, he gets the ball and has the capability to play the ball in an effective area, and he aint no punk either


    and the sidebacks need to be side backs, not central defenders

    maybe a back line of

    Osorio, Galindo, Moreno, Salcido (just in theory)
     
  8. Puma76

    Puma76 Member

    Aug 30, 2007
    Oakland Ca.
    Club:
    Pumas UNAM
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    I know this may sound vague but it is not made up.
    I saw him play in the mid position in some game last year and it wasn't very successful. he seemed too pressured and didn't have enough time to execute his nice long passes.
    Do not get me wrong I love the guys skills but I don't think he is meant for the mid.
    He is a defender for a reason right?
     
  9. guado

    guado Member+

    Jun 30, 2004
    ocotengo miedo
    Club:
    Inverness Caledonian Thistle
    Nat'l Team:
    Indonesia
    speed isn´t crucial when you´re a d mid

    he did well when playing d-mid at barça.

    it´s worth a shot.
     
  10. el mero mero

    el mero mero New Member

    Mar 21, 2005
    Santa Úrsula
    And what game was this?


    Watch every Barca game he played in 2004-05.
     
  11. Mexcellence

    Mexcellence Member+

    Oct 12, 2007
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Marquez for sure is way better than Torrado and thats a big plus
     
  12. Puma76

    Puma76 Member

    Aug 30, 2007
    Oakland Ca.
    Club:
    Pumas UNAM
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    I guess by speed I mean response and agility. But maybe I am confusing what a d mid should do with what an attacking mid should do.
     
  13. el mero mero

    el mero mero New Member

    Mar 21, 2005
    Santa Úrsula
    A d mid cuts off passing angles from the opposition, it wins loose balls in the mid, tough tackler, enforcer, and a huge plus if he has technique and is able to direct the ball to the entire team.
     
  14. guado

    guado Member+

    Jun 30, 2004
    ocotengo miedo
    Club:
    Inverness Caledonian Thistle
    Nat'l Team:
    Indonesia
    i think what it comes down to is if rafa plays d-mid, would it be worth it to have someone else play cb.
     
  15. Mexcellence

    Mexcellence Member+

    Oct 12, 2007
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Yes because we have a lot of options at CB and the mid is what looks like crap with Mexico, Rafa should be able to organize the whole team from the mid.

    Guardado and Gio are good at defending and are fast they should also be able to help Rafa if he gets passed in speed.
     
  16. el mero mero

    el mero mero New Member

    Mar 21, 2005
    Santa Úrsula
    of course, Galindo and Moreno seem to be more then competent to handle the cb spots with Rafa playing d mid


    Mexico I think would benefit from using a 4-3-3 or 4-1-4-1 than a 4-4-2.

    A 4-4-2 does not benefit Mexico's style of play and in reality it is a waste of space to have 2 center mids who have no sense of distribution and side mids who are not faster than their defenders. Not to mention forwards who freakin suck.

    A 4-3-3/4-1-4-1 would stretch the opposing team out further and a central midfield with Guardado, I Castro and Rafa would make better use of their passing options than Torrado and Pardo in a 4-4-2 where all our attacking options are usually left isolated up top or at the sidelines.
     
  17. guado

    guado Member+

    Jun 30, 2004
    ocotengo miedo
    Club:
    Inverness Caledonian Thistle
    Nat'l Team:
    Indonesia

    so then the question is, why hasn´t it been done?

    i would really like to see rafa at d-mid, since our d-mids have been playing bad.

    i think rafa would also fit in better destroying and recovering in the midfield than the other options.
     
  18. Mexcellence

    Mexcellence Member+

    Oct 12, 2007
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Because coaches have not had the time to experiment and implement a system.

    Sometimes I think BS poster make better formations and have better insight than the coaching staff. :D

    Mexico has gone from 5-3-2 3-5-2 to 4-4-2 which Mexico can't play well with.
     
  19. el mero mero

    el mero mero New Member

    Mar 21, 2005
    Santa Úrsula
    Because I haven't been appointed Technical Director yet.

    I dont get why a 4-4-2 has been pushed onto Mexico.

    Is it the Europeanization of Mexican soccer post 2006. (My best guess)

    It has backfired so much, its not even funny.

    We switched to a 4-2-3-1 for the Copa America , worked well I think.

    Then Sven tried to revert to it, and failed again.

    But our shortcomings go further than tactics though.


    Plus I think Galindo and Moreno have been fighting injuries and have never been fit at the same time in the past year or 2.
     
  20. guado

    guado Member+

    Jun 30, 2004
    ocotengo miedo
    Club:
    Inverness Caledonian Thistle
    Nat'l Team:
    Indonesia
    so then is it worth to have rafa play d-mid instead and have say, magallon, maza, dueñas, lopez(although hes injured as well), etc... play cb?
     
  21. el mero mero

    el mero mero New Member

    Mar 21, 2005
    Santa Úrsula
    I think so.


    I think Rafa would definitely make any 2 cbs job easier by effectively killing or diverting any attacks.
     
  22. guado

    guado Member+

    Jun 30, 2004
    ocotengo miedo
    Club:
    Inverness Caledonian Thistle
    Nat'l Team:
    Indonesia

    and not losing the ball.

    which is something is el borrego asesino has increasingly been doing.
     
  23. el mero mero

    el mero mero New Member

    Mar 21, 2005
    Santa Úrsula
    seriously
     
  24. Perndog2006

    Perndog2006 Member+

    Jul 24, 2006
    Nery Nut Ryder
    Club:
    CF Rayados de Monterrey
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    I second this
     
  25. TrDm1n3r

    TrDm1n3r Member+

    Dec 8, 2006
    San Diego
    Club:
    Club América
    Dawg...are you in love with Cervantes or something?

    He's shit.
     

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