How would you say our league broadcasts are? Do you like the picture quality? the graphics? are the people who control the technical aspects competent? How us the camera work? The commentators? Advertising, etc. Poll Options: 1-Very poor 2-Poor- 3-Neutral 4-Good 5-Very Good Also since we are claimed to be the 5th best league in the world how do we compare to others both below and above us?
Well it all depends on wich Channel your watching. ESPN 5 (nough said.) Tv Azteca 2 (i hate theyr adversiments all the game, and the quality isn't that good, plus Marin sometimes likes to pull the "I KNOW MORE THAN ANYONE" in the middle of the game.) Televisa 4 (Commentators sucks) Fox Sports 4 (Same as Televisa they got biased and sucky commentators not all tough) TVC 3 (Biased and sucky commentators.)
Tv Azteca: just decent when "mi jesus", tapia or martinolli do the commentary, but its true they have waaaaaaay too many commercials in-game. Great idea to keep one commentator per game though. 3 Televisa: Boring, im tired of hearing Bermudez and Alarcon commentating on the big games and the rest of the guys suck as well, the worse being the guys from monterrey. HORRIBLE idea to have 3 people narrating the Tri games, i guess Alarcon cant stay out of it. 2
one of the things that bugs me the most is when there is a commercial running and the cut into the game after it started already instead of showing the kick off! I think one time it was as far into it as 5 minutes. I hate the commercials when something comes up from the center of the field (like a car) and takes up the whole screen, its just ridiculous. I also think the quality is poor, I look at the European broadcasts and see how clear and professional they look. For as much money as we generate you would think they would invest a little. Its not all that bad but the level of advertising in our league is outrageous.
Horrible. Televisa, the only guy I enjoy to hear is Pietrasanta, and that's only because he has a cool voice. I especially hate the A-hole who does the Atlas games Pedro Antonio Flores. TVAzteca is just $hite, De Anda is the only one who comes up with something relevant, Tapia tries to be funny but fails Miserably. I end up enjoying the boys from TVC more than the rest, they seem a little more relaxed and spot on in their commentary.
I love how you totally diss on the other channels for being biased and then give 5 to the network with the most biased pieces of crap in Jose Ramon and Faitelson.
Joserra does Champions League games. I don't know about mexican soccer because they don't show the games in ESPN in Mexico.
To quote Brailovsky when he was getting interviewed by Joserra "Cuando hablas de España se te cae la baba"
I hate when they talk about the deadbeat movie of the week and put it in a little box or when their too retarded and shoot the game facing the sun and all you see is black. Or when they never start a game on time, or when they cut to the fans when somethings happening. The announcing get's boring sometimes, and annoying at other times...the lack of creativity. The brightness and color is like its on steroids. Biggest negative is the muting of the crowd noise..its part of the game. I hate how they are owned by sponsors and hold the game up so they can squeez in commercials. The best broadcast productions belong to the Bundesliga, hands down.
Well i never seen joserra commentate on ESPN, i saw him once or twice in Azteca, i know he sucks, but he dons't do it on ESPN thank god, remember im not rating Channels, im rating each channel broadcast, and for me Espn is the best.
Jose Ramon is good, the only thing is that he doesn't hide his utter hatred for televisa/america I give him props for it, at least he is honest. Him and Faitelson put el ruso Brailovsky on the hot seat not long ago, it was awesome, pure entertainment. But they are no better or worse than any of the rest, La jugada, Jorge Ramos en vivo, etc. All have their own biases. can't get rid of it.. really. . ..
Honest? The guy is the biggest hypocrite in the world and the most biased of them all. I really don't like Brailovsky, but as Panfilo mentioned, his line putting him down about "se te cae la baba" when he mentioned Casillas was pure gold. It just pathetic how a guy even has the nerve to criticize Hugo, the federations and the Televisoras as if he was a 3rd person and from a distance when just 2 years ago he was the living example of all that he criticized with Lavolpe. He's a piece of shit.
Of course they are all hypocrites, that's their job. Even among us if you really think about it. if go back and look at posts we all wrote about LaVolpe before and after the mundial, and what we said about Hugo before he got El Tri and what we are saying now. The comments might not be as consistent as we think the are/were. anyway, it's all part of game ..
they are not all hipocrits. There are some that do criticize indiscriminately and are constant in their rationale and line of reasoning. Carlos Albert is perhaps one of them. It is not to say I agree with everything he says, but perhaps his impulsive nature (passion) tends to get the better of him which is why he wasnt promoted at the same rate as his other colleagues. But he is still very much respected. ---------------------------------------------- Joserra makes believe that special interest within Mexican football have to end for Mexican soccer to reach heights and that he is there to eradicate those special interest and will do anything to expose those special interest. The problem is that he welcomed (by using his position within the media) other "lobbyist" that had their own their own motives and interest. I am referring the the early TV wars of 1992-94 when other players like Maurer got into the football circles. If you recall, the Mexican NT was playing their games (WCQs no less) in Azul stadium...and why.... because those other 'lobbyist' had their interest as well and Joserra took part of that in those deals by not exposing it. What did he care? Maurer, Menotti, etc all gave preference to TV Azteca.
RDL beat me to it but your post is BS. They are not all hypocrites and those that are, aren't at the level of Joserra. Joserra has always sold himself as the truth teller and the guy out there fighting the power and interests when he was not only part of that but the main culprit. He's like one of those preachers who rally on about sex and then get busted paying for hookers or something like that. He talks about Hugo, about Televisoras, about their campaigns, when just two years ago he was the main culprit at that. Hell even when he was at Azteca he criticized Televisa for stuff he did a lot worse (marcar linea, having cronies as reporters, having campaigns against certain people). As RDL put it, Carlos Albert does more of the same criticism that Joserra does with Hugo and their is no problem because he wasn't a hypocrite. The same criticism he gave Hugo, he gave Lavolpe and whoever is in charge. He wasn't like Joserra who totally rags on Hugo and Lapuente at his time for things that when Lavolpe did, he totally defendend and covered because he was in power at the selecion when Lavolpe was there. Here is a guy who is know ragging on Hugo for not beating the US and when Lavolpe lost in Colombus 2-0 and the people in his panel in Azteca were negative about the result he went all out about how Mexico beat them in Azteca and that was proof that it was right. Here is a guy who criticized Hugo for having a personal feud with Pardo and not calling him up for "caprichi" and yet never said anything when Blanco and Bofo weren't on Lavolpe list for the same thing and with the excuse that he didn't want an enganche and yet Zinha was there. Here is a guy who totally lambasted Lapuente and now Hugo for struggling against Concacaf and saying that Concacaf teams were total crap and we needed to beat them and it was no progress in beating them and yet when Lavolpe was on the thin line after his failure in the olympics, he totally supported him on the basis of his wins agains the weakest opposition we had ever seen in Concacaf (St. Kitts, St. Vincent, T&T when they were struggling). This is a guy who totally rips on Televisa for everything, having two teams, controlling the press, yet not only was Azteca doing the same thing as well as he, but that one of his main criticism was that Televisa had 3 teams and were fixing games, and yet David Faitelson said that when Azteca had 2 teams, the president did that, order who was going to win the game when they faced each other and they knew it. Where was Joserra then? I could go on and on about that hypocrite pig. His image about he going for the truth is total BS.
Wow, this thread went off on a tangent pretty quickly, but I think many of you are focusing a little too much on the play by play/color people. When I watch a broadcast I look presentation, picture quality, sound, sportscasters, etc. Picture Quality To tell you the truth, the majority of the channels that broadcast our league's games don't have a clear picture, whether it be Univision, Azteca, Fox Sports. The only one that provides a good picture is ESPN. One day, my hope is that they'll provide an HD feed, and not the false "Alta Definicion" picture they boast about. Graphics - Televisa has a good team, but on the rebroadcast with Univision/Telefura they superimpose their own graphics which by my standards look jagged (like a gif with no matting) and often take up way too much space on the screen. - Azteca's look amateurish, and have those cheesy "tech" noises when things move around. - Espn has had the same classic look since I was a child, but its a simple look that doesn't take up too much space. I also like their Champions League graphics for the most part. - Fox Sports, while they keep it simple, are very outdated in terms of their logos. Not to be picky, but they're still using the Chivas logo from the promotora days that has them as an "asociación civil" (same goes for Univision). *Honorable mention to Telemundo for refusing to show the scoreboard for the majority of the game. What the hell is up with that? Sound Outside of the Galavision games which use the direct feed from Televisa (unless they have Fernando Schwartz doing the play by play) they'll provide good sound. All the other stations tone it down so much to the point where you have hear La Torre de Jalisco take a gulp of water, or highlight something on his notepad. That's pretty bad if you ask me. Presentation Camerawork for each station has much room for improvement. While each try the best to provide you with the hottest chicks in the stands, I kinda wanna watch the game. Cutaways are a problem, but by far the one that's gotten out of hand is advertising. Azteca is the biggest abuser in this aspect to the point where they shrink the game into a 4" by 4" square. and cut out the sound in order to show you the latest novela that anybody watching the game will probably avoid just to spite them. Univision has their "Numeros de Jeep" which take up the ENTIRE screen for a good 30 seconds. None of our channels are close to providing the picture, and replays of say a GolTV which is sad because football is the sport in Mexico, you'd figure they'd shell out the money for a better...everything. Broadcasters The only ones I like to listen to are Emilio Fernando Alonso, Pietrasanta, and I can't help but love "la pelota esta en fondo!" also the guy who did the Chivas libertadores games in 2005. Everyone else either annoys, or bores me. Overall, I think we can all agree that our broadcasts can, and need to get way better than this.
I hate Raul Sarmiento. He is the most overrated sportcaster out there. He doesn't add any excitement, talks a lot of crap that he doesn't know about, and goes off on his bitter rants that totally suck. And his "la pelota esta en el fondo" is the 2nd worst call there is, only surprassed by David Medrano (another bitter guy who talks a lot of shit)and his " voy que te quedo jabon" crap.
Damn Rafa, I wish I could share your disgust, but when I hear that call it triggers something in my brain to think "that's cool", moves my hand into a thumbs-up position, and my mouth gives a partial smile (like ones you find of yourself on your girl's camera after a night of heavy drinking). Other sportscasters don't get the same response and usually come with bowel movement sensations. But maybe that's just me.
CHECK THIS OUT.... I know this is about broadcasts, but I did not know where else to put it nor did I want to start a thread on it..... On Wednesday, Record published on their front page that Cruz Azul was going to build a stadium and that all the i's were dotted and all the t's crossed. Just look at what great lengths and how many pages this paper went to publish this exclusive story ..... ..... .... the following day, ESTO as well as other papers found out that it was all bullshit. http://www.oem.com.mx/esto/notas/n585043.htm go to the bottom and Billy Alavrez confirms that they are just going to construct subterranean parking. --------------------------------------------------- this is the type of journalism that bothers the shyt out of me and what worries me is the type of fans they are creating. Record is a daily sports paper (known to be tabloid) that began in 2002. In less than 2 years, they became the number one selling sports paper in Mexico. To think that Ovaciones, ESTO have taken a back seat to them worries me. By no means am I an ESTO fan boy. I know that in some circles, Carlos Trapaga is known to be a sporting mafioso, but ESTO does have a lot of history, great archives, great interviews, and great stats. it is amazing how a paper can just publish ANYTHING they want without consulting with sources.
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH i know..... did you see how Faitelson was trying to back track on the whole de Nigris issue? he was the one calling for de Nigris to be called up to the NT, but then he found out afterwards that de Nigris and Hugo have the same sports agent, he tried to make a big deal about that...
I usually mute the TV when I watch our league because most of the broadcasters annoy me. One thing that annoys me so much more is that the production of such telecasts sucks ass. As far as production quality goes, the MLS has better production than most MFL games. I hate missing a play because of some Toyota animation (or some other sponsor) that runs in the middle of the screen in the middle of a game. I'd say its among the worse that I've seen. It's too bad because we have some really good futbol, unlike the MLS. I'd rather watch those animations than the poor excuse for futbol that is the MLS. Having said that, there is no excuse for such bad TV production. We have the resources and the market for top-notch production, yet its still 3rd rate.
Univision's production sucks and I think they purposely refuse to show certain replays in order to create or maintain some form of controversy. In the US game they never showed the offside and the moron twins continually stated how the US is getting robbed. At least ESPN showed it at half time. I also noticed during the Santos/Chivas game they never showed any offsides replays, no front angle of the play where someone tried to headbutt the ball away from Michel.