Poll: Bush would lose to Democrat; US wants Saddam out -- but wants UN involved

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  1. tcmahoney

    tcmahoney New Member

    Feb 14, 1999
    Metronatural
    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...4&e=2&u=/nm/20030306/ts_nm/politics_bush_dc_2

    Bush's approval rating is at 53 percent, but only nine percent of Americans are "very satisfied" with the way things are going in the United States, compared to 26 percent "very dissatisfied."

    When asked what the most important problem facing the United States was, 31 percent said it was war with Iraq, 27 percent chose the economy or unemployment and 14 percent picked terrorism or security.

    Your thoughts? Count me in that middle category, people.
     
  2. SoFla Metro

    SoFla Metro Member

    Jul 21, 2000
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    The million dollar question, of course, is what happens to the poll when there's an actual name attached to the Democrat?
     
  3. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
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    Feb 16, 1999
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    The poll will of course have Bush winning in a landslide.

    About the only two Democrats currently capable of winning the 2004 election are Jeb Bartlett and Bill Clinton, and the last time I checked, neither of them can be on the ticket.
     
  4. Mel Brennan

    Mel Brennan AN INTERVIDUAL

    Apr 8, 2002
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    Exactly; there is no Democratic candidate, right now, who wouldn't send those poll numbers spinning towards Bush...
     
  5. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
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    SoFla...in local races, the Dem's number would always, always go up. Because at the level of even governor, or US Senator, the "name" that goes up there isn't well known beforehand. What will happen is that aLOT of the undecideds will be Dems who won't commit to an unknown, but will once there's a name out there.

    I kind of expect that wouldn't work so well at the presidential level. But I don't really know.
     
  6. tcmahoney

    tcmahoney New Member

    Feb 14, 1999
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    An excellent question. Right now, I'm sure poll results will show Bush beating any of the nine challengers.

    The same thing happened early in the 1992 elections, too: I remember seeing a cartoon of Bush Sr. having been knocked around by one of those blowup punching dolls, although polls showed him beating each of the Democratic contenders.

    Edited to add the word "early."
     
  7. Eric B

    Eric B Member

    Feb 21, 2000
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    I still think that unless a Dem candidate comes out real soon with some Byrd-like anti-war statements, the Donkey's are going to lose potential voters to the Grrrrrrreens again, which could cost them some states, and therefore, the WH.

    And I am going to cackle like a heyena on nitrous...
     
  8. Dan Loney

    Dan Loney BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 10, 2000
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    Saturday Night Live had a game show where the winner got the Democratic nomination, and it showed all of the candidates trying to lose. Because they didn't want to get beat down Dukakis-style by George Herbert Walker Bush.

    It's a lot funnier now than it was then.

    They should really be polling the Supreme Court what their opinion of the election is, since they're the ones who get to decide.
     
  9. Father Ted

    Father Ted BigSoccer Supporter

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    Nov 2, 2001
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    This came up last week too. I will repeat what I said then.

    Show us the polls 18 months from now because these polls change a lot over a period of time. All you need to do is look at Bush's poll numbers 18 months ago (circa Oct 2001), they were in the 90's.
     
  10. SoFla Metro

    SoFla Metro Member

    Jul 21, 2000
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    Does that mean in 18 months he'll be in the teens?
     
  11. Nemesis

    Nemesis New Member

    Apr 11, 2000
    CA
    Are we still beating that dead horse?
     
  12. SoFla Metro

    SoFla Metro Member

    Jul 21, 2000
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    Heck, Republicans are still blaming Clinton for everything under the sun. We're entitled.
     
  13. Nemesis

    Nemesis New Member

    Apr 11, 2000
    CA
    Touche' [walks off into the sunset searching for a way to divorce himself from the Limbaughs and Jesse Helm's of the world]
     
  14. SoFla Metro

    SoFla Metro Member

    Jul 21, 2000
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    Join the Greens.

    :D
     
  15. Foosinho

    Foosinho New Member

    Jan 11, 1999
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    Dubya is the best thing that could've happened to Democrats. Hell, the best thing for the whole two-party system.

    You think any Greens are ever going to actually vote Green again?
     
  16. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
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    Feb 16, 1999
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    Refresh my memory:

    Is there a single state in the country that Bush ended up winning that Gore would've won, if only all those Nader voters had voted for Gore?

    I mean, if Nader voters are gonna have to put up with a guilt-trip from partisan Democrats about how we helped put Ole 5-to-4 in office, then it'd be nice if it were actually true.
     
  17. needs

    needs Member

    Jan 16, 2003
    Brooklyn
    Florida.
     
  18. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
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    OK, I looked it up. The one-and-only state where Nader voters would've changed a Bush victory into a Gore victory was -- surprise! -- Florida.

    According to the Federal Register, the tally was

    Bush - 2,912,790
    Gore - 2,912,253
    Nader - 97,488
    Buchanan - 17,484
    Other - 23,055

    So if you live in the other 49 states and you voted for Nader, you're essentially blameless for Gore's loss.

    So it would be nice if Dan Loney stopped slashing tires of cars with Nader bumperstickers on them since Gore won California anyway, with or without Nader voters.
     
  19. Dan Loney

    Dan Loney BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 10, 2000
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    I voted for Nader. I repent that vote for symbolic reasons only.

    And I only slash tires of cars with Texas license plates.

    EDIT - Greens are fond of pointing out that if Gore had also gotten every World Socialist Workers Party vote, he would have won the election.

    And Gore got more votes in Florida than Dubya anyway, Greens, Commies or no. It was the Greens and Commies on the Supreme Court that cost Gore the election.
     
  20. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
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    Feb 16, 1999
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    Self-loathing: It's not just for Catholics anymore!
    That's the gratitude we get for keeping the lights on in your little banana republic of a state.
    It's true, you know.
    And the Greens and Commies that ruled that thousands of people in Florida with clean criminal histories were actually felons and couldn't vote. And I'm sure it was mere coincidence that those people were disproportionately non-white.
     
  21. Dan Loney

    Dan Loney BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 10, 2000
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    See you in court, buddy.

    Sincerely,
    Gray Davis...uh, maybe he's not the guy we want on point for this....
     
  22. Foosinho

    Foosinho New Member

    Jan 11, 1999
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    FWIW, I never said I was happy that 2000 dealt a crushing blow to the hopes of having more than 1.5 viable parties. In fact, I find it pretty depressing.

    But you have to admit - if it's looking close, a lot of people who voted Green last time around are going to look at the possibility of voting a particular way to keep Dubya out. I didn't vote for Gore, but I sure as hell am casting my vote next time to keep Dubya from gaining a 2nd term. (NB: I didn't vote for Nader, either, tho I seriously considered it because I wanted Greens to get their 5%.)
     
  23. Ian McCracken

    Ian McCracken Member

    May 28, 1999
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    Hey, when some of you guys come up for air from hyperventilating over Gore's loss in Florida because of Nader, it might be best pointed out that Algore lost his own home state. The people who knew him best rejected him.
     
  24. Ian McCracken

    Ian McCracken Member

    May 28, 1999
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    I was almost getting nervous about this poll until I clicked on the link and found out that it's a Quinnipiac University poll, perhaps the most unreliable political polling operation in the country. When I used to work in the polling biz, Quinnipiac was widely recognized as a leftist hack outfit and reputable firms on both sides of the political aisle would have nothing to do with them or risk losing credibility themselves.
     
  25. Dan Loney

    Dan Loney BigSoccer Supporter

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    Not just fixed, but souped-up!
     

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