Pochettino is out of his mind

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by adam tash, Aug 26, 2025.

  1. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    Garber arranged that result to make the Bundesliga look bad.
     
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  2. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Italy has failed to make 2 World Cups so I’m not sure Pulisic will be up for this like MLSers will be.

    And of course anyone considering players from Scotland has gotta be joking.
     
  3. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i like the usmnt roster and player as compared to germany.....germany has a few top of the line stars like musiala and sane (who both didnt play in this match)
    but like a guy like gnabry flopped in the EPL and I've never really seen it from him as anything special
    woltemade just got sold for 85m after one decent season in the bundesliga with 12 goals...after a previous season of 30 games and 2 goals as a striker....meh
    goretzka another player ive never been that impressed with - fresh off a bundesliga season with 4 goals and 1 assist in 26 matches as an attacking mid for bayern

    overall, germany just has aura and tradition but this current group is meh imo
     
  4. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    "Maybe next time I will need to call up players with less quality but that would give their everything on the field."




    This sounds familiar to what Pochetino said and is doing. I don't think Pochetino watched Copa America (maybe he did?) but our best players failed there. They also failed him in Nations League.
     
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  5. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
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    The Germans were so distraught at having to see Muller in MLS that they simply gave up. If only he had chosen the Scottish Prem instead.
     
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  6. Cynical US fan

    United States
    Mar 30, 2017
    Boston
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    McKennie, Musah, Cardoso, and Balogun were left out for various reasons. What I don’t understand is that Pochettino needs to have these players work together before the WC which is less than a year away. McKennie had an extended season with Juventus, so why does he need to play more with them now instead of playing with his teammates on the USMNT? Musah has some personal problem which I am not aware of. Balogun has come back from injury; a little more understandable. Cardoso is with a new team that may have refused to release him.
     
  7. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    its the same as ggg first cycle....will do anything he can to include mls

    garber has convinced poch that using mls will help soccer in the usa (which is ridiculous) but poch has accepted the mission

    this is all about trying to squeeze mls into the usmnt - deserving or undeserving
     
  8. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Those of us who actually follow the national team know that his first cycle was great. I’d be thrilled if Poch could match that.

    No it’s not.
    No it’s not, and congrats on the hat trick of stupidity
     
  9. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    youd be thrilled with getting boatraced in the first knockout game of the home WC?

    youre a clown
     
  10. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    "If your best players play like they don't care about the National Team and are failing you need to keep on playing them because they are better" - USMNT fans

    While we have coaches like Pochetino and Nagelsmann (and others around the world) saying that if your best players don't perform because they lack interest then they need to be replaced with less talented players that are willing to give it their all.
     
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  11. CoachP365

    CoachP365 Member+

    Money Grab FC
    Apr 26, 2012
    He brought Mueller to MLS to undermine Die Mannschafftt just like he brought down the Azzurri by bringing in Giovinco. Give him time, France and Spain are next...
     
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  12. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
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    I was listening to Meola’s show today and he said Poch’s job is to pick the best team, not the best individual players. He also laughed at the idea MLS is controlling Pochettino.
     
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  13. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  14. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Alexi Lalas, in a broken clock moment, has been banging that same drum for years.

    During the last cycle, basically everyone was in agreement that our three best midfielders were Adams, McKennie, and Musah. Problem is that midfield stinks as a trio, because Musah and Adams can't pass the ball forward and McKennie isn't all that creative, so every attack has to horseshoe around them.

    To Berhalter's credit, he saw that as a problem and tried to address it, but a Gio Reyna coming off a 500-minute season wasn't the solution.

    Hopefully Poch can figure out the right balance. He may have just lucked out with the emergence of Tillman.
     
  15. Ryan T Smith

    Ryan T Smith Member

    Borussia Dortmund
    United States
    May 10, 2022
    MMA is best utilized when we expect the opposition to control possession. Those three players are good ball-winners, so if you complement that midfield with either a high press (which we employed against Mexico) or a compressed mid block (like we did against England) to force them into mistakes and then hit on the counter.

    However, in games where we expect to dominate possession, we need a creative man in the middle like Gio or Tillman to generate chances.
     
  16. Pemulis

    Pemulis Member

    Jul 10, 2024
    Poch calls up some real donkeys and says some stuff that leaves open the interpretation that he has no idea what he is doing regarding the US player pool.

    It's super groovy and cool that some people think pedantry is a helpful avenue to refute the above. Weird. But super groovy and cool, too.
     
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  17. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Cap Pendantry now!

    I been bloviating around this place - and Graffiti and .rec and even close circuit bars! (oh my!!) before that - and it's kinda fun how the characters change but the debate stays the same.

    And how winning fixes everything and losing, well... naysayers are for sure playing the odds, that's for certain.
     
  18. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #93 adam tash, Oct 6, 2025
    Last edited: Oct 6, 2025


    well I watched the press conference from Pochettino for the October camp and I dont think Poch is out of his mind anymore

    This isn't the final roster...it will be adjusted on a rolling basis, depending on player performance.

    I beleive that the best players will ultimately make the team.

    I was very worried this wouldnt be the case based on the September roster

    i understand what hes doing and the rationale behind it now.

    in the end, I think he doesnt quite have enough time to implement this culture change fully as he wants to....this is what happens when you come in late and have such a scattered player pool thats almost never fully available.

    i think he still might make some mistakes in the end but I get where he is coming from, finally.

    (fwiw, I dont think he is correct to only want to choose players that can play 3 games in every 3 days....with 26 players it is not necessary, and also I dont think with a 26 man roster, you would want to play the same 11 every game....this was the downfall of berhalter in qatar. so I really hope poch doesnt copy that aspect off ggg ball)

    im sure if he had a full cycle or 3 years or so...he would get the best team for the world cup, for sure.....which comes back to the poor decision to hire ggg for a 2nd cycle
     
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  19. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    He's been saying this all along......................................

    The last three full-time coaches have been fired like this mid-cycle. Bradley, Klinsmann, and Gregg. It's not conducive to success. Particularly if you hire a coach with little pre-existing knowledge of the pool. Poch has had to work thru the pool evaluating guys. Most won't stick. A few will. If we had a WC announcement today, a few of these guys like Luna, Berhalter, and Freeman might make it. All guys the board suggested should be looked at before they were called up. There have been very few callups that were totally outside the box.

    There's just not a lot of time.
     
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  20. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
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    I doubt Poch would’ve went for the job at the time Berhalter was rehired so I wouldn’t say time was wasted.
     
  21. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    its kind if self-fulfilling feedback loop though.....playing the midfield that isnt as good at attacking allows teams to not worry about defending, which makes it harder to control possession....I get the logic...but I also think this kind of thinking creates the problem it aims to address

    i think if youre gonna go with 3 centerbacks, you shouldnt need midfielders that cant add to the attack and just play defense, basically....even with 2 cetnerbacks, I wanna see 2 way midfielders that can be well rounded and contribute in all facets. mckennie fts that profile, imo
     
  22. felloveranddidanadu

    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Dec 12, 2009
    Club:
    San Jose Frogs
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For funzies, I looked at some of the euro squads of second tier leagues to compare.

    Netherlands, who are no doubt better than us have 4 players from their domestic league. Switzerland 2, Portugal a whopping 6, more than a quarter of the squad.

    All 3 domestic leagues are somewhat on par with MLS. Certainly the top teams in Portugal and Netherlands are better, but the bottom teams are probably worse.

    MLS *is* good enough to make up an important part of the squad, as is the MLS player. You.dont necessarily need or want your 23 best, most talented players. You want the 23 guys who will work together the best.
     
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  23. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don’t agree with this line of argument, because I’ll bet the Portuguese and Dutch players are all on those “top teams,” meaning their call ups are NOT the same. If I’m wrong I’m wrong, but that’s my perspective.
     
  24. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Indeed. Those nations have the heart of their starting XI's in top leagues and some "difference-making" elite players at Champions League-winning contenders.

    Berhalter gave opportunities to a ton of MLS guys over his tenure. But when push came to shove at the World Cup and Copa America, who got the bulk of the minutes? Not a single second was played by an MLS player at Copa America. There were MLS players on the roster, but they didn't play. [Ream came back to MLS after Copa America.]

    Pochettino has been looking at a lot of domestic guys this cycle. Now that we're in real preparation for the World Cup, we'll see where the minutes shake out.

    I'll bet that for the next USMNT match..................we have two or three MLS starters. Freese and Ream. And maybe Freeman due to Dest not being there. I guess if Antonee isn't deemed fully match fit, we could start Arfsten.

    Also, we can't ignore the fact that the domestic guys become the Euro-based guys. Freeman could be a Euro guy a tthis time next year.

    We're going to develop into a nation like Brazil in which the players are constantly shuttling back and forth.
     
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  25. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    So Australia has no domestic players on this roster if I’m reading the right thing. Three MLS guys though.
     

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