Playoffs Format-Time for a Change

Discussion in 'Premier League' started by Y&B POWER, May 28, 2009.

  1. Y&B POWER

    Y&B POWER New Member

    Apr 22, 2002
    Ramat-Hasharo Israel
    Club:
    Glasgow Rangers FC
    dunno about you but i feel like the time is up for a change in the traditional 3-6 lower divisions playoffs style with something more reflecting quality

    the bottom two would be still automatically relegated and the top 2 in the lower division would be automatically promoted but the two clubs above the bottom 2 would compete Vs the 3-4 teams from the lower division

    to simplify things WBA and Boro are down Wolves and Birmingham are up but NUFC and Hull would play Sheffield United and Reading 3rd top Vs 3rd bottom 4th top Vs 4th Bottom style

    the suggestion brought due to the Yoyo teams syndrom the likes of WBA BCFC and some others which causes an entire nation dizziness from their jumping jack yoyo bounces

    u can add the top/bottom 5-6 clubs to prevent a soft belly in the lower divisions so midtable clubs would still have something to play for coming feb/March
     
  2. Toon³

    Toon³ Member

    Dec 27, 2002
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    It's a stupid idea.

    If a team has played bad enough to be in the bottom 3 then they should be relegated and if has played well enough to get to the play off final and win then they deserve to be promoted.
     
  3. Y&B POWER

    Y&B POWER New Member

    Apr 22, 2002
    Ramat-Hasharo Israel
    Club:
    Glasgow Rangers FC
    well i just believe it's more interesting to watch top Vs Bottom than watching the same teams go at each other again

    if NUFC winning against Sheffield or Burnley then i believe they deserve it more
     
  4. Toon³

    Toon³ Member

    Dec 27, 2002
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    If you're one of the teams who is fighting for promotion you don't care about entertaining the Israeli's you care about getting promoted.

    Newcastle were utter utter UTTER shit this season and deserved 100% to go down. A play-off system is cheating the lower division club out of their deserved promotion.
     
  5. Y&B POWER

    Y&B POWER New Member

    Apr 22, 2002
    Ramat-Hasharo Israel
    Club:
    Glasgow Rangers FC
    1st of all the Burnley-Sheffield final was anything but entertaining besides the goal perhaps 2nd the lower tier clubs should earn it by overcome a bottom higher division club rather than the same old divisional rivals so if NUFC beat Burnley they should playing EPL soccer next season rather than their oppositions

    u could point out that Newcastle were awful this season and deserved to go down and i concur that but others can state that their absence from the top tier is not a good thing to the EPL as a whole financially speaking besides the point but still holds water when it comes to beneficial deeds if we wish minimizing the yoyo syndrum a wee bit
     
  6. Toon³

    Toon³ Member

    Dec 27, 2002
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Why should Burnley be made to play against a Premiership team to get promoted when Wolves and B'ham get promoted automatically?

    When you start to keep clubs up for financial reason you should just stop playing football all together.
     
  7. Y&B POWER

    Y&B POWER New Member

    Apr 22, 2002
    Ramat-Hasharo Israel
    Club:
    Glasgow Rangers FC
    Wolves and BCFC finished the top two so they get an automatic promotion Burnley on the other hand finished only 5th and it'd be more creditable if they'd beaten up a EPL team rather than SUFC or Reading

    I won't ever suggest England to become an American sports like structure but i'd fancy the 3rd bottom club would get a chance staying up regardless if it's Newcastle Bolton Sunderland or Hull
     
  8. Toon³

    Toon³ Member

    Dec 27, 2002
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    What on earth would make it more creditable?
     
  9. Y&B POWER

    Y&B POWER New Member

    Apr 22, 2002
    Ramat-Hasharo Israel
    Club:
    Glasgow Rangers FC
    simply because beating up a top tier club gets more credit in my books for once so if Burnley beating NUFC or Hull it means more than Sheffield or Reading if they can't so they're less than deserve it
     
  10. JackBastard

    JackBastard Member

    Jan 21, 2007
    Bridgend
    Club:
    Swansea City AFC
    Nat'l Team:
    Wales
    Already been done in the 80s (and the 1890's for that matter). It was changed to the current format for a reason.

    I think only one team actually managed to stay up anyway, and there's really nothing at all wrong with the current format - except for having no advantage for finishing higher up, but that's a different topic.
     
  11. Toon³

    Toon³ Member

    Dec 27, 2002
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    So why don't the top two need to beat the bottom two?
     
  12. RichardL

    RichardL BigSoccer Supporter

    May 2, 2001
    Berkshire
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    You can't equate entertaining football with quality. A poor game doesn't mean the teams aren't good enough. There have been plenty of major tournament finals that have been contenders for the worst game the year.


    More importantly, to deal with the main point, while a team that's 3rd from bottom might be better right now than a team 3rd in the Championship, if that championship team had the premiership tv cash to spend then it might be better next season than the 3rd from bottom team. That is the chance they are being given.
     
  13. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Having promotion playoffs between teams at different levels could show if League Championship gets stronger or weaker relative to the Premier League from year to year. Is having the number of teams that enter and leave the Premier League (or any country's league) be the same every year any better than if UEFA decided to forget about future country coefficients for club tournaments and decided to use the current rankings forever?
     
  14. RichardL

    RichardL BigSoccer Supporter

    May 2, 2001
    Berkshire
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    the number of pro/rel spots has never been about relative ranking.

    Nobody is equating the ability of the current championship top 3 with the premiership's bottom 3, and saying they deserve to go up because of that.

    The idea is that as a club the last 3 teams have all failed, and somebody else deserves a chance rather than them.


    If play-offs were introduced for all positions, you'd probably get to a state where clubs would hardly ever gain promotion because the teams who always perpetually stay up would gain such an advantage due to the tv revenue.

    And that's not a good measure of a club deserving to be there, as under such a system, even a club like Newcastle (if stuck in the championship) would find it impossible to build a squad as good as a perpetual premiership club. To match that £50 million in tv cash, Newcastle, at Championship prices, would have to average 87,000 a week.


    The truth is that yours is the classic US reaction to the problem of promoted clubs struggling to survive. Whereas people here look at it and say that it's terrible that the game has changed for the worse, so that promoted clubs find it hard, the US reaction is to view these struggling clubs themselves as being "the problem" and look for ways to stop them going up in the first place.

    It just ties in with the mentality of having a clear distinction between major league and minor league sports leagues, and the assumption the clubs from the minors are just inherently inferior and have no real place in the major leagues.
     
  15. Matt Clark

    Matt Clark Member

    Dec 19, 1999
    Liverpool
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    More stupid ideas from the cheap seats.

    I'd much rather spend a season watching Burnley having the time of their lives in the Premiership than another season watching a hapless bunch of overpaid mediocrities scuttle about for Newcastle. Burnley's a proper football town, the fans deserve the chance to enjoy a season at the top table. And, rather neatly, Newcastle and their fans deserve what they've been dished up too.

    The reason we don't need to fuck about with the play-off process is because the current system already does the best possible job.
     
  16. Y&B POWER

    Y&B POWER New Member

    Apr 22, 2002
    Ramat-Hasharo Israel
    Club:
    Glasgow Rangers FC
    the system has been instituted in Spain a decade ago why they've canceled it it's beyond me it was the best

    top 2= automatically

    3-4=playoffs
     
  17. Matt Clark

    Matt Clark Member

    Dec 19, 1999
    Liverpool
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    You've answered your own question. It clearly wasn't the best. Says it all really - one of the big four leagues institutes the experiment and it doesn't last a decade.
     
  18. Y&B POWER

    Y&B POWER New Member

    Apr 22, 2002
    Ramat-Hasharo Israel
    Club:
    Glasgow Rangers FC
    but why?
     
  19. Matt Clark

    Matt Clark Member

    Dec 19, 1999
    Liverpool
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Because it's shit.
     
  20. Y&B POWER

    Y&B POWER New Member

    Apr 22, 2002
    Ramat-Hasharo Israel
    Club:
    Glasgow Rangers FC
    in Scotland they indeed instituted a new playoffs system a couple of yrs ago as u've all aware of it i assume but i could hardly find any condemnation of so it can't be that shit i guess
     
  21. Matt Clark

    Matt Clark Member

    Dec 19, 1999
    Liverpool
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Errr ... what?
     
  22. glennaldo_sf

    glennaldo_sf Member+

    Deportivo Wanka, Semen Padang, Dinamo Bender, Fotballaget Fart
    United States
    Nov 25, 2004
    Doha, Qatar
    Club:
    FL Fart Vang Hedmark
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Eh ... I didn't know that this guy posted here from time to time...

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  23. chrizzah

    chrizzah Member

    Aug 8, 2000
    DC
    That's not a relegation playoff. It's a bizarre end-of-season splitting of teams in to two groups. It only means the lesser teams play in a group with the other lesser teams for the last five games (and the top teams play other top teams for the last five games). I think it has more to do with having fair scheduling than anything else.
     
  24. Y&B POWER

    Y&B POWER New Member

    Apr 22, 2002
    Ramat-Hasharo Israel
    Club:
    Glasgow Rangers FC
    no i didn't mean the SPL split i mean in the lower divisions with the next to bottom side plays a playoff with the 2-4 teams from the lower disivion(Ayr Beat Airdrie in the 1st/2nd divisions playoffs)
     
  25. Matt Clark

    Matt Clark Member

    Dec 19, 1999
    Liverpool
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Right, so now the top European leagues take the improvement cues from the arse end of the Scottish league structure?

    The teams you're talking about have an average attendance that would make a League Two side blush. Hardly a basis for making decisions about the biggest league in the world.

    Once again, thanks for playing, but we'll take it from here thanks.
     

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