Playing on the Ground

Discussion in 'Referee' started by whitehound, Nov 28, 2004.

  1. whitehound

    whitehound New Member

    Sep 6, 2004
    O'fallon Il
    Look in law 12 under dangerous play. Just because you are on the ground doesnt mean it is dangerous.It most certainly can be legally done.
     
  2. lillefty7

    lillefty7 New Member

    Nov 23, 2004
    Bismarck
    This has to be the most unconsistent call ever. Ive seen people call it but is it actually against the "laws of the game." I say let them play on the ground if they want to get kicked. Anyone know for sure wht the rule about it is?
     
  3. Crowdie

    Crowdie New Member

    Jan 23, 2003
    Auckland, New Zealand
    Playing the ball on the ground is not an offence as long as you don't endanger yourself or another player in doing so. If you put your body over the ball to stop the opposition from playing the ball it is another story though.
     
  4. njref

    njref Member

    Mar 29, 2003
    New Jersey
    Exactly.

    A common foul occurs if you play the ball while on the ground and other players cannot kick the ball because you are lying in the way. You are endangering yourself by staying on the ground in the way of the other players trying to play the ball. If no one has to hold back because you are on the ground, then no one is endangered.
     
  5. Ref Flunkie

    Ref Flunkie Member

    Oct 3, 2003
    New Hudson, MI
    I haven't heard ignorance in this call except at REAL young ages (8-10). I really haven't had people yell at me in a while saying "He can't play it on the ground!!", even when someone wasn't around him.
     
  6. NHRef

    NHRef Member+

    Apr 7, 2004
    Southern NH
    I've heard that one, mostly at young ages.
     
  7. IASocFan

    IASocFan Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 13, 2000
    IOWA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The call I'll most often make is where a player on the ground tries to kick the ball and kicks or almost kicks other players in the shins.
     
  8. david58

    david58 New Member

    Aug 29, 2003
    Oregon
    Crimeny!! I hear it at all levels thru U19, and see it called at all of those levels. Not so often in club ball (tho it does happen), but just like "high kicks" it gets called like crazy in high school. Sad, and I hate to admit it, but the rulesmakers and many of the referees make high school soccer something different, and not better at all.
     
  9. Statesman

    Statesman New Member

    Sep 16, 2001
    The name says it all
    From my recollection I don't believe I've called "playing on the ground" as dangerous play in many many years. I find it quite rare that a person on the ground truly presents a dangerous situation, as they most often will just take a poke at the ball in the process of standing up. The fact they are on the ground has not prevented opponents from playing the ball fairly and thus I see no reason to stop the game. I referee mostly amateur soccer these days with an occasional youth game (typically around the U17 age). I will second the notion that this concept is for the most part applied only to the youngest age groups to keep the buggers from stepping on each other.
     
  10. HoldenMan

    HoldenMan New Member

    Jun 18, 2004
    NSW, Australia
    Yeah, I think it's usually only a problem when the player is lying on or over the ball.
     
  11. whitehound

    whitehound New Member

    Sep 6, 2004
    O'fallon Il
    Why? Do you also call a missed kicked that "almost kicks other players in the shins" when they are standing?
     
  12. whitehound

    whitehound New Member

    Sep 6, 2004
    O'fallon Il
    By the way.........the USSF ATR(sorry I actually read this thing) says that a player has to stop playing in response to a play for it to be dangerous. So if you raise your foot at your opponants eye level and they dont flinch......no foul...at high levels of play. At lower levels you call the act as a precautionary measure.
     
  13. jkc313

    jkc313 Member

    Nov 21, 2001
    You're right. Has to disadvantage an opponent in some manner. After all, this is a foul. Doesn't matter how dangerous it is to you, if you don't adversely affect and opponent, no foul.
     
  14. refmike

    refmike New Member

    Dec 10, 2003
    Cal North
    Except for the kids - who aren't smart enough to back off of a dangerous play. We still have to protect them and that is the majority of games we do.
     
  15. whitehound

    whitehound New Member

    Sep 6, 2004
    O'fallon Il
    You are right but I take exception to the assertion that adult players are any smarter then the kids ;)
     
  16. kevbrunton

    kevbrunton New Member

    Feb 27, 2001
    Edwardsburg, MI
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In some/many youth recreational leagues, where a lot of the youth players start, it is against their league specific rules to play the ball in any manner while on the ground. That's where this comes from.
     
  17. Gary V

    Gary V Member+

    Feb 4, 2003
    SE Mich.
    And at the opposite end of the spectrum, many O-something recreational adult leagues prohibit slide tackles - on the theory that they all have to go back to work tomorrow morning, and it's not worth the risk in a recreational game. These might be some of the soccer moms and dads of those same U8's and U10's. The adult rule morphs into "no play on the ground" - and durned if you can convince them otherwise.

    What I can't figure is why the U14-U16 premier players (and coaches) haven't figured it out yet. Inevitably at least once a season I hear, "Ref, he can't play it on the ground!" If I'm feeling charitible, my response is, "Yes, he can." In a bad mood, I might say, "This isn't U8, is it?"
     

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