Players on National Teams with different Nationalities

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  1. hanul21

    hanul21 Guest

    I was wondering after watching a Korea vs Japan game back in 2003 or 2004 when korea beat japan 1 to 0 by ahn jung hwan, i noticed a player in Japan named Alessandro Santos who is Japanese and also Brazilian. then i saw that South Africa had a Dutch goalkeeper Hans Vonk. heres some that i know of the top of my head

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    Russia- Shin Eui Son (korean but played twice i think as Russia's goalkeeper)
    Germany- Gerald Asamoah (Ghania)
    USA- Freddy Adu (Ghana)
    Japan- Alessandro Santos (Brazil)
    South Africa- Hans Vonk (Netherlands)
    Poland- Emmanuel Olissadebee (Poland), i hope i spelled his name right
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    please add on to the list
     
  2. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Shin Eui Son played for Tajikistan and was their starting GK for a long time. He may or may not have played for the USSR - I think he was 42 when he played his last match for Tajikistan.

    I'm only going to list the ones that I think others will be slower to find.

    Tunisia - Francileudo Dos Santos, Clayton (both Brazil)
    Germany - Oliver Neuville (Switzerland), Gerald Asamoah (Ghana), Paulo Rink (Brazil)

    Adu is not capped for the senior US national team. Also note that both he and Mastroeni came to the US at an early age and played all of their organized soccer in the US, so IMHO neither should count.

    And some obscure ones recently capped:

    Hong Kong - Lawrence Akandu (Nigeria)
    Lebanon - Jadir Morgenstern (Brazil) and two other Brazilians, will look them up when I get home.
    Vietnam - Robson (Brazil)
    Trinidad & Tobago - Christopher Birchall (England)
    Singapore - Daniel Bennett (England)
     
  3. RedandWhite

    RedandWhite Member

    Jul 5, 2005
    Canada
    Japan - Alessandro Santos (Brazil)
    England - Owen Hargreaves (Canada)
     
  4. CityWokGuy

    CityWokGuy New Member

    Apr 14, 2005
    CA
    Mexico-Zinha (Antonio Naelson Matiasar )---he was born in Sao Paulo, Brazil
     
  5. Andy TAUS

    Andy TAUS Member

    Jan 31, 2004
    Sydney, AUS
    Even though there's a lot of folklore out there that the AUS National team consists of many "foreign" players, there are many more cases of the opposite actually being the case.

    For example, a number of Australian born & bred players are on the Croatian national team, with Joey Didulic (goal-keeper) one that comes to mind immediately.
     
  6. Regency

    Regency Member

    Apr 28, 2004
    Toronto
    Italy - Camoranesi (Argentina)
    Portugal - Deco (Brazil)
     
  7. Benton

    Benton New Member

    Jun 1, 2005
    South Carolina
    Holland - Clarence Seedorf (Surinam). Approx. 2/3 of the 98 Dutch World Cup team were naturalized cititzens.
     
  8. Breakwood

    Breakwood Member

    Mar 23, 2004
    Toronto, Canada
    Canada - Thomas Radzinski was born in Czech Republic.
    I`m not sure but it wouldnt suprise me is every one on Canadas team was born somewhere else. Our world cup cricket team had nobody born in Canada :D
     
  9. Smoga

    Smoga Member

    Jan 28, 2002
    Brooklyn, NYC
    There are many Polish-born players who play or have played for Germany. Klose, Podolski and Freier are only three examples. They could have played for either country by the virtue of their dual citizenship, but decided to play for the Germans.
     
  10. Jay510

    Jay510 Member+

    Apr 21, 2002
    Gadsden Purchase, AZ
    Club:
    Blackburn Rovers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    USA's David Regis (Martinique)- USA fans remember this fiasco, boy it really helped the 1998 team.

    funny thing, my high school soccer coach went to high school in martinique and played with him, says he was a good guy

    im sure there were others for the USA, but thats all i can think of.
     
  11. Soccerfever

    Soccerfever Member

    Aug 30, 2001
    Laval(Canada)
    Wow this thread has more than 3 posts and no one has mentionned anything about players in the French squad....

    France - Rio Antonio Mavuba (Angola)
    - Peguy Luyindula (DR Congo)
    -Jean-Alain Boumsong (Cameroon)
    -Claude Makelele (Congo)

    Norway - Hasan El Fakiri (Morocco)
     
  12. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Some more Brazilians capped by other countries...

    Lebanon - Gilberto Dos Santos, Newton de Oliveira
    Macedonia - Aguinaldo Braga
    Singapore - Egmar Gonçalves
     
  13. guado

    guado Member+

    Jun 30, 2004
    ocotengo miedo
    Club:
    Inverness Caledonian Thistle
    Nat'l Team:
    Indonesia
    adu and mastroeni can go here, since they both have(had?) two nations to pick from. even is they came here at a young age, they could've played for a country not named the US(adu still can)

    shaka hislop trinidad and tobago (england)

    france
    youri djorkaeff - (ethnic armenian. could've played for armenia because of heritage.)

    marcel desailly (ghana)
    patrick vieira (senegal)
    robert pires (spanish and portugese)
    david trezeguet(argentina)
    zinedine zidane (algeria)
    christian karembeu (new caledonia)

    holland

    davids (suriname)
    van bronckhorst (indonesia)


    USA

    thomas dooley (german)
    claudio reyna and tab ramos (uruguay)

    the mpenza brothers- belgium (congo)

    kuranyi was born in brazil, but to german parents

    ibrahimovic- sweden-(bosnia)

    eduardo da silva- croatia (brazil)

    im pretty sure i missed some easy ones.
     
  14. JG

    JG Member+

    Jun 27, 1999
    I don't think this is quite true in terms of citizenship. Seedorf moved to the Netherlands when he was two (in 1978) and I believe that Surinamers retained their Dutch citizenship until five years after independence (until 1980).

    There were three other Surinam-born players on the 1998 teams (not sure where you get the 2/3 figure), but all the others were born pre-independence.
     
  15. el_urchinio

    el_urchinio Member

    Jun 6, 2002
    Why does someone have to start a thread like this every month or so? And why does some moron always have to list every non-white player who's ever played for France as somehow being foreign and less-than-french?

    Why are people so bothered by the idea of someone who doesn't have all 4 grandparents born in a given country playing for it?
     
  16. el_urchinio

    el_urchinio Member

    Jun 6, 2002
    Oh, and the title of this thread is idiotic. All players on any given team have the same nationality, that of the country in question.
     
  17. Hrvat

    Hrvat New Member

    Mar 27, 2005
    Zagreb, Croatia
    I agree that threads like this emerge to often, but there's nothing wrong with the title.

    I think seven players with Croatian heritage played for Australia in the Confederations Cup

    Yeah, they were born and bred there, but their nationality is Croatian, so I don't see the problem here, at least not while the thread title is Players on National Teams with different Nationalities

    I'm not sure what is the correct definition of "nationality" in English but I think it is often mixed up with citizeship. Those are two completely dissimilar things at least in Croatian. Maybe those are synonyms in English, but then could someone tell me what would be the English term for what I think of when I say nationality.
     
  18. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    But then the list of players from the USA, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand will go on and on forever if this is how you define nationalities. Those countries are made up of immigrants. Brazil, Argentina and the rest of South America can also come with lists that go on forever.

    Meanwhile, some players are of mixed nationalities too. Fox example, Oliver Bierhoff is half-Italian. He is as German as any German player on the German NT. Do we add him to the list?
     
  19. guado

    guado Member+

    Jun 30, 2004
    ocotengo miedo
    Club:
    Inverness Caledonian Thistle
    Nat'l Team:
    Indonesia
    to this list, yes. it's just a list of players who could've played for more than one NT. it's not a debate about who belongs on which national team.
     
  20. Hrvat

    Hrvat New Member

    Mar 27, 2005
    Zagreb, Croatia
    Techincally, yes. But there is no need to go that far.

    But take Adu for example. Would you dare to call him an American? I wouldn't. Yes, he has an American citizeship but from my point of view he'll never be an American (and my point isn't he shouldn't play for the US, but just to show you what nationality for me really represents).
     
  21. Stars&Bars

    Stars&Bars New Member

    Aug 13, 2004
    I would definitely call Adu an American. Your view is a very European view and I don't mean that in a bad way, it's just a difference in cultures. We don't take much stock in what blood flows within whoevers veins. Immigrants are what this country is made of and what has made it great (my opinion ofcourse). Him and his family are just as American as my family that have been here for over a hundred years (and my ancestors did not come here willingly). And I think a lot of other Americans or people from other immigrant countries would think the same about people who come to their respective countries.
     
  22. Paddy31

    Paddy31 Member

    Aug 27, 2004
    Pukekohe, NZ
    No, it's not. His view is his view and in no way representative of a whole continent. It is ludicrous to tar all Europeans (and I'm sure you'll include the British in that) with this. Ask any Briton if Lennox Lewis or Greg Rusedski are British. Or for that matter how about Vikram Solanki, Amir Khan, or Daley Thompson. They are all immigrants or the children of immigrant families and there is no-one (outside the BNP) who would call them anything other than British.

    The same attitude applies in most of Europe, certainly in my experience.
     
  23. Smoga

    Smoga Member

    Jan 28, 2002
    Brooklyn, NYC
    I think threads like this are fun, especially during the off season, if only for the "what if" factor. For instance, its fun to imagine a Polish NT with Klose and Podolski (Polish born), plus Crystal Palace's Andy Johnson (eligible to play for Polish NT due to his Polish heritage), plus Danny Szetela (likewise), plus Diego Klimowicz (same thing). You can then imagine playing the coach/manager, and try to figure out whether it would be better to have one of those guys replace your National Team's regular, or not.

    By the way, I don't understand why the French controversy keeps coming back all the time. France is the only former colonial power that considers its overseas territories to be a part of the country. Therefore, if you go to Martinique, you actually are in France according to French law. Same goes for people born in the French overseas territories.
     
  24. Stars&Bars

    Stars&Bars New Member

    Aug 13, 2004
    I am no tarring all Europeans with the same brush, and yes I would include the British as Europeans, why that is important I don't know. I didn't say it was THE European view! It, I believe is a very European view ofcourse depending on where you go, relative to most immigrant countries.
     
  25. Sagy

    Sagy Member

    Aug 6, 2004
    Nationality - the status of belonging to a particular nation by birth or naturalization (added emphasis)

    I think you are looking for
    Ethnicity - an ethnic quality or affiliation resulting from racial or cultural ties
    or National Origin.

    I hope this helps.
     

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