Player Ratings: USA vs El Salvador 9/5/09

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by tsaldana3, Sep 5, 2009.

  1. tsaldana3

    tsaldana3 Member

    Apr 26, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh boy was that bad. Our possession, the officiating, the USA/ES fans ratio, etc. But we won. Which is the good thing. But still it's not fun watching our team look like this.
    Here's my player ratings.

    My average: 5
    Howard - 6 ( Misjudged goal, but made up for it with the great save at the end)

    Altidore - 6 (Still looks a bit shaky, but will get better with more PT)

    Davies - 7 ( Great game by Davies. Beautiful skill on the ball)

    Donovan - MOTM 8 ( 2 assists. Was all over the place first half and part of second half. Was not hlped by Bradley at the end leaving him alone up top)

    Feilhaber - 4 ( No comment.)

    Bradley - 5 ( No comment)

    Dempsey - 6 ( was quiet and being same old Dempsey before his goal. He woke up after the goal but started to get cute with his "tricks")

    Bornstein - 3 (BAD)

    Bocanegra - 4 ( Can we get a different captain?)

    Marshall - 5 ( ehh...)

    Spector - 4 (would like to see him on the left and Cherundolo at right)


    Holden - 5 ( great energy and some good crosses into the box at the end)

    Beckerman - NR ( Why Bob?)

    Torres - NR (Would love to see Clark or Bradley and Torres in the middle for T&T)
  2. Donofan_10

    Donofan_10 Red Card

    Aug 20, 2009
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    why even mention it mate...michael is a permanent starter unless red carded
  3. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    dempsey a 5 for me for missing some inexplicable sitters, and Stu a 6, he brought good energy, , and bornstein a 2. other than that u got it i think
  4. withoutthee88

    withoutthee88 Red Card

    Aug 23, 2008
    People stop asking for Spector on the left... he's not a good left back. Why do you guys push for shit just because you've never seen it?

    Bornstein - 0
    Marshall - 0
    Beckerman - 0

    Donovan - 10
    Altidore - 10

    Dempsey is pathetic. Had 3 wide open chances tonight. Put in 1. Is that supposed to be our best player abroad? PATHETIC.

    Davies needs to develop a first touch and stop diving to hide the fact that he has no first touch. Also missed a gimme.
  5. Bolo

    Bolo New Member

    Jan 16, 2007
    Considering it was El Salvador at home

    Altidore - 6
    Davies - 7
    Donovan - MOTM 8
    Feilhaber - 5
    Bradley - 4
    Dempsey - 6
    Bornstein - 4
    Bocanegra - 4
    Marshall - 4
    Spector - 5

    Game was disjointed, over all a less than confidence inspiring performance.
  6. bojackson

    bojackson New Member

    Jun 11, 2009
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Howard- 5 - saved our butt on that save in the last few minutes but was terribly out of position AGAIN on the goal.

    Spector - 6 - good crosses and pretty solid defense

    Marshall - 3 - not talented enough

    Bocanegra - 3 - too slow, poor passing/clearances

    Bornstein - 2 - not a defender

    Bradley - 3 - played no defense, gave the ball away often

    Feilhaber - 4 - not sure what he did

    Donovan - 8 - great as usual

    Dempsey - 7 - great finish on the goal, missed several others, played hard

    Davies - 7 - plays 100%, great creativity, great pace, but needs to watch his diving

    Altidore - 7 - great goal, disappears at times though


    Holden - 7 - good runs, good defense

    Beckerman - 3 - not ready

    Torres - 6 - didn't get much of a chance but did well
  7. bojackson

    bojackson New Member

    Jun 11, 2009
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I've seen it...and it's truly dreadful. Spector played left back against Spurs two weeks ago and got burnt and burnt and burnt again.
  8. Bolo

    Bolo New Member

    Jan 16, 2007
    I normally like Beckerman just due to his effort, he's one of those guys who gets the most out of limited physical ability. That said, he looked out of his depth against El Salvador, I can't imagine him against a quality side.
  9. alocksley

    alocksley Member

    Jan 30, 2004
    Burbank, CA
    Davies - 7: So dangerous in tight around the box.
    Altidore - 7: Did what he is supposed to do. Twice.
    Donovan - 8: Typically superb.
    Dempsey - 6: Up and down. Too many blown sitters, and the goal was offside.
    Feilhaber - 7: Great one-touch play
    Bradley - 4: Very poor going forward. Time for some pine.
    Bornstein - 4: Awful at both ends.
    Spector - 5: Very shaky start, got better as the game wore on.
    Bocanegra - 6: Some questionable positioning
    Marshall - 6: A bit flat-footed on the pass that set up the goal.

    Holden - 7: Composed defending.
    Beckerman - 5: Invisible.
    Torres - 6: Good run, nice header.
  10. Pass-n-Go

    Pass-n-Go Member+

    Jul 5, 2008
    He was thinking Central America and he had a guy who looked like the Predator. He thought some damage could be done.
  11. tsaldana3

    tsaldana3 Member

    Apr 26, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He might be bad, but the question is.... Is Spector that worse of a LB than Bornstein, Pearce, or Bocanegra to not play him their?

    You could argue that the answer is no.
  12. tsaldana3

    tsaldana3 Member

    Apr 26, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Watch it again. He was the only one onside on ES' horrible offside trap.
  13. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Altidore - 8 Two great finishes. For some reason only one counted.
    Donovan - 8 The best American soccer player of all time was his usual self.
    Dempsey - 7 taking into consideration that his very nice assist shouldn't have been deemed a foul.
    Davies - 7 Not afraid to try to beat someone!
    Howard - 6 one great save, one crapping of the bed
    Bradley - 3 couldn't control the ball worth a dime store crap (yes, that phrase doesn't make any sense, but neither did the fact that Bradley went 90 tonight)
    Spector - 5 some nice crosses, not much else either way
    Bornstein - 2 bad, but not quite Heaps bad. That's something, I guess.
    Boca - 4 should take off the armband and throw it to Donovan
    Marshall - 5
    Torres - 6 shouldn't be on the bench for 83 minutes. Kudos for the good scoring opportunity he produced.
    Holden - 5 non-factor
    Beckerman - 3 Bradley 2.0
  14. fusion101

    fusion101 Member

    Jan 11, 2002

    Howard- 5 - Wow what a howler on the first goal but saved us two points in the end.

    Spector - 6 - Got beat on the goal but he is the best defender going forward.

    Marshall - 4 - Booted the ball upfield too much.

    Bocanegra - 4 - Didn't play liked our veteran defender.

    Bornstein - 3 - Horrible clearance leading to their goal. Not very good pushing forward.

    Bradley - 3 - Did nothing to support us going forward and looked very slow defensively.

    Feilhaber - 5 - Benny did well at controlling the ball but was unable to thread the final pass.

    Donovan - 8 - Landon and Charlie were on fire.

    Dempsey - 6 - Dempsey has to finish another of the chances he had. Was really winded at the end.

    Davies - 8 - Charlie was doing work all game and

    Altidore - 7 - Winning goal and held the ball well.

    The subs:

    Holden - 6 - Brought energy and did well pushing forward

    Beckerman - 3 - wow, why did he come in

    Torres - 5 - Could have had a nice goal in his brief minutes.

    Ref- 3 - Lost control of the game really earlier and was a joke thereafter.
  15. Peretz48

    Peretz48 Member+

    Nov 9, 2003
    Los Angeles
  16. Peretz48

    Peretz48 Member+

    Nov 9, 2003
    Los Angeles
    No Benny? Holden a non-factor? He made two nice crosses & brought a little energy.
  17. moytoy12

    moytoy12 Member

    Jun 20, 2008
    Generally agree with your rankings, but disagree re: marshall. He "booted" the ball to our guys a good deal of the time. I was pretty surprised by his touch on his aerial passes.
  18. eainterplay

    eainterplay Member

    May 11, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Howard: 5.5- Poor positioning on the goal, but great job to save our azzez near the end.
    Spector: 5- Good crossing, decent defending. Let a couple of guys turn him
    Marshall: 4- Looked like he belonged, but his lack of speed was exploited a few times.
    Boca: 4.5- Not impressive in any aspect of the game.
    Bornstein: 1.5- Atrocious, just bloody rubbish.
    Dempsey: 6- Came up big, but was his same frustrating self for the majority of the game.
    Bradley: 4.5- First touch was awful all game, and made some poor decisions with the ball
    Feilhaber: 6- Had a nice subtle impact on the game. Didn't gel that great with Bradley.
    Donovan: 8- This performance has come to be expected.
    Davies: 7- Beautiful first 30 min.
    Altidore: 7.5- Needs to file a police report after that robbery.

    Holden: 6- Exactly what you want from a sub. Great defending and what a cross again after the one in Mexico. I think he has some kind of GPS in leg or something.
    Beckerman: 4- Wow, he did the complete opposite of what he was suppose to do, hold possession and be a busy body on defense.
    Torres: 5.5- Good power header from the little man and held up possession a little bit which we desperately needed.
  19. burud111

    burud111 Member

    Jul 20, 2007
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Donovan - 7
    Altidore - 7
    Dempsey - 6.5
    Davies - 6.5
    Marshall - 6
    Feilhaber - 5.5
    Bocanegra - 5.5
    Howard - 5
    Bradley - 5
    Spector - 4.5
    Bornstein - 4

    Holden - 6.5
    Beckerman - 5.5
    Torres - NR
  20. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Howard-4- gave El Salvador a goal, but was sharp on everything else.
    Spector-4- alright offensively, weak defensively.
    Marshall-5- shaky with the ball at his feet, but i see promise
    Bocanegra-5- past his sale date.
    Bornstein-1- horrible offensively, and one of the worst defensive performances in USMNT history (considering it was El Salvador at home!)
    Bradley-5- alright. not great not bad
    Feilhaber-5- same as Bradley.
    Donovan-8- great game. clearly above the rest of the team.
    Dempsey-7- he did what Dempsey normally does...5 seconds of brilliance that keeps us in the world cup race. and the rest? ...nothing
    Davies-6- he shows a lot of promise and i felt like he might struggle some against El Salvador at home anyways.
    Altidore-7- his ball control is bad, but he had TWO goals... i don't see how on god's green earth that was counted as offsides.
    Holden-7- for a sub, did almost everything you could possibly ask for. should have had two assists.
    Torres-6- again for a sub, had a good header that nearly was in the back of the net. had good control on the ball.
    Beckerman-1-please, god hurry up and get well Jones and Edu.

    El Salvador played great, and we were lucky to come away with a win. I'm sad by the fact that Alvarez would have been a better LB today than Jonathan Bornstein.
  21. The Brando

    The Brando Member

    Dec 10, 2007
    San Antonio, TX
    We saw him against a quality side in the Gold cup. it ended up 5-0. And we saw him in the Copa America in 07. How did those turn out? He's not ready yet.
  22. matabala

    matabala Member+

    Sep 25, 2002
    Howard - 6.0 (out of 10)
    Spector - 5.0
    Marshall - 5.0
    Boca - 5.5
    Bornstein - 3.5
    Bradley - 4.5
    Feilhaber - 5.0
    Donovan - 6.0 didn't think he had one of his better games
    Dempsey - 5.5
    Altidore - 6.5
    Davies - 7.0 MOTM keep him healthy please!

    Holden - NR
    Beckermen - nervous Norvus nearly a 100% success for the other side!
    Torres - NR

    Coach - 4.5
  23. Arid_Torpor

    Arid_Torpor Member

    Jun 1, 2006
    Durham, NC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Avg - 5

    Howard: 5. One great play, one bad mistake. Average.
    Spector: 4. Poor first half, decent second half.
    Marshall: 4. Definitely a step down.
    Boca: 4.5. Defending was good, distribution was worse than usual (which says something)
    Bornstein: 2. Worst player on the pitch.
    Dempsey: 6.5. As usual, made some poor plays and some excellent plays. A part of two goals, even if only one counted. Should've had another. The excellent outweighed the poor.
    Feilhaber: 5. Average.
    Bradley: 4.5. Average early, got worse.
    Donovan: 7.5. A couple lazy passes, but he makes so many things happen.
    Altidore: 7.5. Good first half, killer second half.
    Davies: 7.5. Best player in the first half, good in the second.

    Holden: 6. Good in limited time on both ends. A couple great crosses.
    Beckerman: 3. Why? It was a 1 goal game.
    Torres: 6. Good in limited time. Almost had one.

    Our best players were without a doubt Donovan, Altidore, and Davies. Hard to choose just one of them. Dempsey was also good. None of the other starters distinguished themselves, although a couple subs played well.
  24. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    I use the 6 point "average" scale.

    Howard - 6.5
    Spector - 6
    Marshall - 5.5
    Bocanegra - 6
    Bornstein - 5
    Feilhaber - 5.5
    Bradley - 6
    Donovan - 7
    Dempsey - 6
    Davies - 6.5
    Altidore - 7

    Holden - 6.5
    Beckerman - NR (but poor, on his way to a 5 or lower)
    Torres - NR
  25. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    Given his age, this is as ready as he'll ever be.

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