PL Matchday 12: Arsenal vs Burnley, 12/13, 2:15pm ET

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  1. The Jitty Slitter

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    Willock is not at EPL level for a 10 - thats really the issue with the kids - they are not ready

    it reveals the stupidity of leaving Ozil out of the squad

    Laca is probably the best 10 we have - if you are playing more as a support striker than a midfielder
     
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  2. casoccerdad47

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    Mar 31, 2006
    As deep as he is dropping at times to pick up the ball, it’s clear his instructions aren’t just to play as a support striker. I’m not particularly fond of Ceballos in that role, but I think he’s probably a better option than Lacazette. He won’t provide a scoring threat, but his passing is better than Lacazette’s. He will create more chances.
     
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  3. InTheSun

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    I saw Ceballos play at #10 with the Spain u23s a few times. He was dominant. Now, it might be that he's best suited for a #8 role, but I believe he can do a better job than Laca.
     
  4. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    Emery played him there and it never quite clicked, so Emery went back to rotating Ramsey and Ozil in that role.
     
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  5. daedalus

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    absolutely agree on all the named players. except possibly for saka who, i believe, has slotted in there once and did well (as he appeared to have done everywhere last season). and seems to be able to slot in anywhere and still at least contribute.

    that said, cool, you have no current 10, then don't play with a 10. trying to fit a square peg into a round hole is dumb. even more so when it's a veteran (tougher to adjust, let alone to one of the more intricate position on the pitch) out of form (when you just aren't in the right headspace to adapt).
     
  6. daedalus

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    arteta has also stated in an interview that he does not see him as a 10 but an 8.
     
  7. The Jitty Slitter

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    If the intention is to play 4-3-3 then the 10 is truly a CM - like an 8.5 player. Ramsey would have been good for this. I could see Ceballos doing it, if we have a decent 6 & 8 combo. But at the moment we don't really have an 8 if Partey is seen as the 6. Willock is not yet at the level to play this role IMO.

    Ozil was more a 4-2-3-1 style 10 where you have a double pivot - we are not playing that system

    Of course the other style of 10, which is more the 90s/00's style is where the 10 is the support striker - like Bergkamp. I guess that is the idea. These kind of hybrids are back in style - see Müller at Bayern or Griezmann for France. The player is a bit like a 2nd striker, but drops into midfield.

    Of course the issue is that Lacazette probably isn't good enough for that role.
     
  8. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

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    Ramsey was never a ten

    he was a mobile 8

    the only ten since db was ozil
     
  9. The Jitty Slitter

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    It has different meanings depending on system

    e.g Ozil is a true attacking midfielder/playmaker

    Bergkamp is more of a support striker from the 4-4-2 days

    In the 4-3-3 the 10 is more of a true central midfielder - an 8.5 like Goretzka. I'd agree Ramsey is not a true 10 but he fulfilled the role of the central midfielder who gets forward into those spaces.

    I mean you would not call peak Fabregas a 10 - he was known as an attacking midfielder, yet he was deadly in the D as an assister and goal scorer in his prime, before dropping deeper. It's exactly that kind of player we lack right now. Whether you call that player a '10' or not is kind of irrelevant.
     
  10. ArsenalMetro

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    That's why I genuinely wanted us to sign Weston McKennie this summer. He's a perfect fit in a 4-3-3, and he'd have been our only genuine aerial threat besides Gabriel.
     
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  11. Serengeti_Boy

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    Sep 15, 2009
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    Luiz can barely organize a defense. This is too high of a bar Lol
     
  12. thebigman

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    May 25, 2006
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    I guess cesc was a ten in the 4231 years and a 6 in the partnership with flamini

    ah man, how I would love for us to play like that again
     
  13. The Jitty Slitter

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    I saw Cesc more as an 8/10 - he was always more of a genuine midfielder compared to say Ozil who is more of a forward
     
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