Pick your 23 in their order of certainty

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by deuteronomy, Jul 14, 2009.

  1. MarioKempes

    MarioKempes Member+

    Real Madrid, DC United, anywhere Pulisic plays
    Aug 3, 2000
    Proxima Centauri
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    GK: Howard, Guzan, Perkins
    Def: Onyewu, Cherundolo, Bocanegra, Spector, DeMerit, Marshall
    Mid: Bradley, Dempsey, Donovan, Feilhaber, Clark, Holden
    FW: Altidore, Davies, Casey

    ---------------------------------
    2 Defenders, 2 Midfielders, and 1 Forward will be added from the following list:

    Defenders: Conrad, Castillo, Pearce, Goodson
    Midfielders: Quaranta, Edu, Torres, Jones, Rogers, Pause, Beckerman, Evans
    Forwards: Ching, Cooper, Arnaud, Cunningham, Findley

    In short, 12 players are going to be bitterly disappointed, and 5 ecstatic.
     
  2. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    I'd say that's still quite premature. There's competition for the back-up winger/AM slots, though at least some of it is coming from somewhat unexpected sources (Feilhaber might well take one, giving us 4.5 CMs, and Torres could possibly take the other). Plus... the season isn't over yet; we might yet hear from Beasley or Adu. You can't quite count either of them out (though I wouldn't suggest holding one's breath, either).
     
  3. matabala

    matabala Member+

    Sep 25, 2002
    Not when one of those hairs goes by the name of Marcus Hahneman who's got a blizzards chance in South Africa to make anyones 23 ;) .

    Or Davies on the same "likely" level as Bornstein! ;) .
     
  4. Adam Zebrowski

    Adam Zebrowski New Member

    May 28, 1999
    howard 100, guzan 100, perkins 50
    onyewu 100, bocanegra 100, demerit 75, marshall 50
    cherundolo 90, spector 90, castillo 50, hejduk 50
    bradley 100, jones 75, feilhaber 60, edu 50
    donovan 100 , dempsey 100, holden 60, torres 50
    altidore 100, davies 100, ching 75, adu 60

    my 23 guys with their relative likelihoods..

    those on the bubbkles are guys with the 50 and any one with a 60...

    those above 60 are virtual locks
     
  5. Mr Martin

    Mr Martin Member+

    Jun 12, 2002
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm revising my prior version a bit:

    Dead Certain Locks and also the Starting XI (unchanged):
    1. Donovan
    2. Howard
    3. Dempsey
    4. Onyewu
    5. Bradley
    6. Bocanegra
    7. Altidore
    8. Davies
    9. Spector
    10. DeMerit
    11. Jones*

    This is the Starting XI, and as such, even if a couple of these guys see their form slip, they will all be in the final 23 at least as key backups. *Jones moves up to #6 if he really shows well once intergrated with the team.

    Virtual Locks because they are Key Reserves and Sometime-Starters:
    12. Feilhaber
    13. Cherundolo
    14. Edu
    15. Guzan
    16. Ching

    These 16 players are totally locked in, barring an unfortunate injury. These 16 are the core of the team. The remaining 7 spots are up for grabs and will depend on form over the next 7 months.


    Make the team's final cut due entirely to form, positional need, and/or positional flexibility at the time of selections 7 months from now:
    17. Holden
    18. Clark
    19. Bornstein
    20. Marshall
    21. Torres
    22. Perkins
    23. Beasley


    Total: 3 Keepers; 7 Defenders; 9/10 Midfielders; 4/3 Forwards. I'm thinking Dempsey might become one of a 3-man striker rotation, which would make Ching the 4th striker and alter the XI somewhat. Beasley still barely makes it for the 23d spot, just over Rogers, because he is a veteran of 2 Cups and superficially can play 2 positions while Rogers only 1.


    ********************************************
    On the outside, but definitely get in if someone in the top 23 loses form or is injured:
    24. Rogers
    25. Hejduk
    26. Hahneman
    27. Mastroeni
    28. Kljestan
    29. Adu
    30. Conrad
    (#24 to #30 are named to the 7-player alternates list for the World Cup.)

    31. Califf
    32. Castillo
    33. Goodson
    34. Casey
    35. Beckerman
    36. Cooper
    37. Johnson
    38. Pearce
    39. Simek
    40. Wynne

    That's the 40-player pool. Anyone outside that has no real chance.

    Torres and Perkins moved into my 23 since the last time. Califf dropped all the way out below the alternates list. Hahneman dropped to the alternates list. Castillo is the only newcomer, and he has an outside shot at passing Beasley and Rogers for the final spot on the 23 if he plays well in whatever opportunities he gets. I dropped Quaranta totally from my top 40.
     
  6. raza_rebel

    raza_rebel Member+

    Dec 11, 2000
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    IMHO 110% going:
    GK: Tim Howard, Brad Guzan,
    Defenders: Gooch, Dolo, Boca, Spector, DeMerit, Marshall
    Midfield: Dempsey, Bradley, LD, Feilhaber
    Forwrd: Davies, Altidore

    That leaves 9 spots - 1 Keeper and 8 field players to choose from :
    Keeper: Perkins, Hahnemann(sp).
    Defenders: Conrad so he can write some more articles in South Africa, Edgar Castillo, Pearce, Goodson & Hejduk.
    Midfielders: Edu, Torres, Holden, Jones, Clark, Rogers, Adu, Beckerman
    Forwards: Brian Ching, Kenny Cooper, Conor Casey

    I will admit that I have not seen Jones play and cannot really rate him. But he does come from a good league with a reputation as skilled with the ball who likes to get into the attack as well as do the dirty work.
     
  7. withoutthee88

    withoutthee88 Red Card

    Aug 23, 2008
    Chicago/USA
    GK (mandatory 3)
    Howard
    Guzan
    Perkins

    DF (7)
    Onyewu
    Bocanegra
    Spector
    DeMerit
    Cherundolo
    Marshall
    Castillo

    MF (10)
    Donovan
    Dempsey
    Bradley (the most certain of all)
    Clark
    Feilhaber
    Holden
    Torres
    Edu
    Jones
    Adu

    FW (3)
    Altidore
    Davies
    Ching
     
  8. JeremyEritrea

    JeremyEritrea Member+

    Jun 29, 2006
    Takoma Park, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    By position (not certainty)

    GK: Howard, Guzan, Perkins (3)

    D: Bocanegra, Onweyu, Cherundolo, DeMerit, Spector, Bornstein, Hejduk (7)

    M: Torres, Bradley, Clark, Mastroeni, Holden, Jones, Adu (7)

    F: Donovan, Dempsey, Altidore, Davies, Ching, Casey (6)

    Could be Hahnemann instead of Presthus, Feilhaber or Edu instead of Adu or Holden, and Cooper instead of Casey
     
  9. Peretz48

    Peretz48 Member+

    Nov 9, 2003
    Los Angeles
    Love the Presthus pick. To balance that pick, why not Sebastian Lletget in MF?
     
  10. JeremyEritrea

    JeremyEritrea Member+

    Jun 29, 2006
    Takoma Park, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Whoops, I meant Perkins. Brain fart. And edited. :D
     
  11. AngelaMerkin

    AngelaMerkin Member+

    Dec 2, 2005
    GK- Howard, Guzan, Marcus H

    Def- Onyewu, Boca, DeMerit, Spector, Dolo, Marshall, Castillo, Bornstein*

    MF- Donovan, Dempsey, Bradley, Jones, Feilhaber, Holden, Torres, Edu, Clark*

    FW- Altidore, Davies, Cooper, Adu

    No idea about Bornstein or Clark, but i think they'll battle one another for that last spot.

    With 4 guys in D that can play central, 2 that can play right, and 3 that can play left back without Bornstein on the team, he may be forced out.

    With Clark, how many central mids do we honestly need?

    If Adu has a solid season, he could play himself back on, if not, slot in Ching I guess, though having him take the field in the world cup isn't exactly a pleasing thought. I rate Cooper much more highly than Ching. Either way, we can't have Altidore and Davies going big minutes every game.
     
  12. seattlest7

    seattlest7 Member

    May 12, 2009
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As of right now, and assuming no injuries, I think the first 20 slots on the team are more or less agreed upon by majority of USMNT watchers - and especially by Bob.

    GK: Howard, Guzan

    D: Spector, Cherundolo, Bocanegra, Onyewu, DeMerit, Marshall, Bornstein

    M: Dempsey, Donovan, Bradley, Jones, Feilhaber, Holden, Clark, Edu

    F: Davies, Altidore, Ching


    21st spot: MF Torres vs F's Cooper or Casey.

    I can understand how carrying just three pure forwards is a little scary since we start two, but with Dempsey & Donovan there's plenty of coverage up top. Besides, if we run into injury trouble at F, which lineup provides for a better USMNT team? Dempsey starting at F and one of Feilhaber/Holden/Torres at RM, or Cooper/Casey at F and Dempsey playing at RM? Yep. Either Casey or Cooper would be our 6th striker, and would have no business on the field barring severe injuries to our forwards. Torres meanwhile has gotten crunchtime minutes in the WCQ's when our squad is at full strength at his position (outside mid) and his skillset matches a team weakness. In my mind it's no contest, get on the plane Torres.


    22nd spot: Last defender tossup between CB Califf, LB's Pearce, Castillo or RB Hejduk.

    I really think its between Castillo or Hejduk, all depending on if Castillo shows anything at LB (I haven't seen enough of him, but some people here seem to think he walks on water). If he does, Castillo's in. If not, with Gooch, Boca, Demerit, Marshall plus Spector or Edu able to fill in if needed, not sure Bob would feel the need to add another CB in Califf when Mr. Inspiration was available.

    23rd spot: 3rd goalkeeper ... who cares?
     
  13. Vahit21

    Vahit21 New Member

    Sep 15, 2009
    bring back McBride.... he is good for the last 20 minutes of a game
     
  14. deuteronomy

    deuteronomy Member+

    Angkor Siem Reap FC
    United States
    Aug 12, 2008
    at the pitch
    Club:
    Siem Reap Angkor FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    World Cup less than four months away. Let's take a new look.
    Regretably, it is a bit more of a crap shoot now with the injuries, recently.

    1. Tim Howard:
    2. Landon Donovan
    3. Michael Bradley
    4. Carlos Bocanegra
    5. Jozy Altidore
    6. Jonathan Spector
    7. Steve Cherundolo
    8 Jonathan Bornstein
    9. Clint Dempsey
    10. Oguichi Onyewu
    11. Jay DeMerit
    12. Brad Guzan
    13. Benny Feilhaber
    14. Maurice Edu
    15. Ricardo Clark
    16 Clarence Goodson
    17. DaMarcus Beasley
    18. Marcus Hahnemann
    19. Jose Francisco Torres
    20. Stuart Holden
    21. Sacha Kljestan
    22. Freddie Adu
    23. Eddie Johnson
     
  15. Adiaga Two

    Adiaga Two Member+

    Oct 4, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1. Landon Donovan
    2. Tim Howard
    3. Michael Bradley
    4. Carlos Bocanegra
    5. Jozy Altidore
    6. Brad Guzan
    7. Clint Dempsey
    8. Oguchi Onyewu
    9. Jonathan Spector
    10. Jay DeMerit
    11. Benny Feilhaber
    12. Jonathan Bornstein
    13. Jose Francisco Torres
    14. Maurice Edu
    15. Stuart Holden
    16. Ricardo Clark
    17. Steve Cherundolo
    18. Marcus Hahnemann
    19. Brian Ching
    20. Charlie Davies
    21. Freddy Adu
    22. Edgar Castillo
    23. Chad Marshall

    Bubble Boyz: Kenny Cooper, Troy Perkins, Eddie Johnson, Clarence Goodson, DaMarcus Beasley, Herculez Gomez, Jermaine Jones, Heath Pearce
     
  16. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    *Assuming everyone is healthy

    GK
    1. Tim Howard
    2. Brad Guzan
    3. Marcus Hahnemann
    *Set
    *Alt-Troy Perkins
    *Keller, Friedel

    DF
    1. Carlos Bocanegra
    2. Jonathan Spector
    3. Jay DeMerit
    4. Jonathan Bornstein
    5. Steve Cherundolo
    6. Oguchi Onyewu
    ----crap shoot----
    7. Chad Marshall
    8. Frankie Hejduk
    *Daniel Williams, Marvell Wynne, Frankie Simek, Edgar Castillo, Heath Pearce, Michael Orozco, Jimmy Conrad, Clarence Goodson, Geoff Cameron, Omar Gonzalez, Sean Franklin

    MF
    1. Landon Donovan
    2. Michael Bradley
    3. Clint Dempsey
    ---crap shoot----
    4. Ricardo Clark
    5. DaMarcus Beasley
    6. Benny Feilhaber
    7. Stuart Holden
    8. Maurice Edu
    9. Freddy Adu
    *Jermaine Jones, Kyle Beckerman, Dax McCarty, Sacha Kljestan, Robbie Rogers, Jose Francisco Torres, Alejandro Bedoya, Chris Pontius,

    FW
    1. Jozy Altidore
    ----crap shoot-------
    2. Conor Casey
    3. Charlie Davies
    *Brian Ching, Eddie Johnson, Marcus Tracy, Chris Rolfe, Kenny Cooper, Robbie Findley, Jeff Cunningham
     
  17. kokoplus10

    kokoplus10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 5, 2008
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    GK
    1. Howard
    2. Guzan
    3. Hahnemann

    D
    1. Onyewu
    2. Bocanegra
    3. Cherundolo
    4. Spector
    5. DeMerit
    6. Bornstein
    7. Goodson

    M
    1. Donovan
    2. Dempsey
    3. Jones
    4. Bradley
    5. Clark
    6. Beasley
    7. Feilhaber
    8. Torres
    9. Holden
    10. Edu

    F
    1. Altidore
    2. Davies
    3. Casey
     
  18. Adiaga Two

    Adiaga Two Member+

    Oct 4, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm really surprised to see so many people choosing Casey over Ching as our obligatory target striker. Casey may have scored a bunch of goals with the Rapids, but he's tactically useless at the international level.

    Neither Casey or Ching are going to be Just Fontaine in this tournament, but at least Ching can hold the ball and create space for others.
     
  19. DMTerp02

    DMTerp02 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Annapolis, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'll assume everyone is healthy except Jones, who I just don't think will get the call so late after such an injury.

    GK
    1. Howard
    2. Guzan
    3. Hahnemann

    D
    1. Onyewu
    2. Bocanegra
    3. Cherundolo
    4. Spector
    5. DeMerit
    6. Bornstein
    7. Goodson
    ---------------
    Marshall
    Califf
    Wynne

    M
    1. Donovan
    2. Dempsey
    3. Bradley
    4. Feilhaber
    5. Clark
    6. Beasley
    7. Torres
    8. Adu
    9. Edu
    ---------------
    Holden
    Rogers
    Kjlestan

    F
    1. Altidore
    2. Davies
    3. Ching
    4. Casey
    -----------
    Findlay
    Johnson
     
  20. AcetheTigah

    AcetheTigah Member+

    Apr 6, 2005
    Woodlands, TX
    GK
    Howard (3)
    Freidel
    Guzan

    Defense (8)
    Gooch
    Bocanegra
    Goodson
    Demerit
    Hejdyuk
    Cherundolo
    Bornstein
    Spector

    Midfield (7)
    Clark
    Edu
    Torres
    Holden
    Beasely
    Bradley
    Donovan

    Forwards (5)
    Altidore
    Dempsey
    Davies (if fitness tests show that he is at the same level pre crash)
    Findley
    Ching

    Alternates:

    Defense
    Geoff Cameron
    Parkhurst
    Marshall?

    Midfield
    Adu
    Brad Davis

    Forward
    Johnson
    Rolfe
     
  21. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    The lastest injury and rehab projections (which tend to be pretty uncertain) play a role in this, if everybody's healthy then of course this changes accordingly:

    GK:
    Howard
    Guzan
    Hahnemann
    -------------
    Perkins

    D:
    Bocanegra
    Spector
    Cherundolo (minor inj)
    Demerit
    Onyewu (inj)
    Bornstein
    Goodson
    ------------
    Marshall
    Pearce
    Castillo
    Simek
    Cameron
    Hejduk
    Conrad
    Califf

    M:
    Donovan
    Bradley
    Clark
    Dempsey (inj)
    Feilhaber
    Holden
    Edu
    Torres
    Adu
    ---------
    Beasley (minor inj)
    Jones (inj)
    McCarty
    Beckerman
    Rogers
    Bedoya
    Kljestan
    Pontius

    F:
    Altidore
    (and from here it's honestly up in the air)
    Johnson
    Ching
    -----------
    Casey
    Davies (inj)
    Cunningham
    Cooper (inj)
    Findley
    Tracey (inj)

    Hence:
    1. Howard
    2. Donovan
    3. Bradley
    4. Bocanegra
    5. Guzan
    6. Altidore
    7. Spector
    8. Cherundolo (minor inj)
    9. Demerit
    10. Hahnemann
    11. Clark
    12. Dempsey (inj)
    13. Onyewu (inj)
    14. Feilhaber
    15. Bornstein
    16. Holden
    ----------below this line the level of certainty drops considerably------
    17. Edu
    18. Torres
    19. Goodson
    20. Johnson
    21. Ching
    22. Adu
    23. *Wild card (probably a defender, possibly a midfielder)

    If the first 22 picks go that way, then #23 is being held in abeyance for a guy who can play left back (Pearce, Castillo) to grab it. If no one does, than it most likely goes to another midfielder, and who depends on the health/form of our central midfield solidifiers. If there are any question marks over any of them, then it's another solifier (McCarty, Beckerman, or a fully healthy Jones jumps right to the top). If there are no question marks, then it goes to an attack-minded midfielder who offers something different (Beasley, Rogers, Bedoya).
     
  22. beamish

    beamish Member+

    Jul 6, 2009
    Let me be the first to put Williams on a provisional 23. It isn't that I think he'll probably go. (Indeed, I think Adu is more likely to go then him.) It's that I think the 23rd player will be the 8th defender and the 3rd right back and that Williams is more likely to go than Hejduk, Simek, Alston, Cameron, Wynne, or Lichaj just because he was once named to a Bundesliga team of the week.

    1. Donovan
    2. Dempsey
    3. Howard
    4. Onyewu
    5. Altidore
    6. Davies
    7. Jones
    8. Bradley
    9. Bocanegra
    10. Spector
    11. DeMerit
    12. Hahnemann
    13. Guzan
    14. Cherundolo
    15. Bornstein
    16. Clark
    17. Holden
    18. Beasley
    19. Casey
    20. Feilhaber
    21. Torres
    22. Goodson
    23. Williams

    -----
    24. Adu
    25. Hejduk
    26. Marshall
    27. Edu
    28. Johnson
    29. Ching
    30. Simek
    31. Bedoya
    32. Kljestan
    33. Davis
    34. Rogers
    35. Findley
    36. Pearce
    37. Cunningham
    38. Alston
    39. Cameron
    40. Cooper
    41. Wynne
    42. Lichaj
    43. Friedel
    44. Perkins
    45. Gonzales
    46. Beckerman
    47. Rolfe
    48. McCarty
    49. Pontius
    50. Tracey
    51. Castillo

    I assumed that everyone was healthy.
     
  23. Adiaga Two

    Adiaga Two Member+

    Oct 4, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Williams is not even eligible for us yet. Mind you, it's likely just a matter of filling out some paperwork, but let's chill.
     
  24. beamish

    beamish Member+

    Jul 6, 2009
    Like I said, I don't think it's probable. I think that it's something like 60% that the 23rd player is a third RB and I think that, if it is, it's something like Williams 25%, Hejduk 20%, Simek 20%, Alston 10%, Cameron 10%, Wynne 10%, Lichaj 5%, all of which makes it pretty unlikely that Williams will be on the roster. Still, it seems to me, more likely than the relevant alternatives. What do you think?
     
  25. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    In a fantasy world where everyone were to suddenly get 100% healthy, it would look like this IMO:

    As lock as lock could be:
    1. Howard
    2. Donovan
    3. Jones
    4. Dempsey
    5. Onyewu
    -----------------
    Quite certain:
    6. Bradley
    7. Davies
    8. Guzan
    9. Bocanegra
    10. Cherundolo
    11. Spector
    12. Demerit
    13. Hahnemann
    14. Altidore
    15. Clark
    -----------------
    Relatively certain:
    16. Feilhaber
    17. Bornstein
    18. Holden
    -----------------
    In a battle:
    19. A central defender (Goodson, Marshall)
    20. A central midfielder (Edu, Torres)
    21. A forward (Johnson, Ching, Casey most likely, possibly Cooper, Cunningham, Findley, Tracey)
    22. A left back (Pearce, Castillo)
    23. A wild-card impact player (Adu, Beasley, Rogers, Bedoya)
     

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