Pick your 23 in their order of certainty

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by deuteronomy, Jul 14, 2009.

  1. deuteronomy

    deuteronomy Member+

    Angkor Siem Reap FC
    United States
    Aug 12, 2008
    at the pitch
    Siem Reap Angkor FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Considering everybody is healthy

    1. Tim Howard:
    2. Landon Donovan
    3. Clint Dempsey
    4. Oguichi Onyewu
    5. Michael Bradley
    6. Jermaine Jones
    7. Carlos Bocanegra
    8. Jozy Altidore
    9. Jonathan Spector
    10. Jay DeMerit
    11. Brian Ching
    12. Steve Cherundolo
    13. Charlie Davies
    14 Jonathan Bornstein
    15. Brad Guzan
    16. Benny Feilhaber
    17. Maurice Edu
    18. Ricardo Clark
    19. Stuart Holden
    20 Dan Califf
    21. DaMarcus Beasley
    23. Troy Perkins
    23. Frankie Hejduk

    This is my 23, in order, let's see yours.
  2. DCFAN96

    DCFAN96 Member

    Apr 24, 2004
    Demerit must be a beast to be ranked twice....and why oh why is DMB still being rated????.....sigh....
  3. Arid_Torpor

    Arid_Torpor Member

    Jun 1, 2006
    Durham, NC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Deut, you have DeMerit twice.

    Here's mine.

    1. Landon Donovan
    2. Tim Howard
    3. Oguchi Onyewu
    4. Michael Bradley
    5. Clint Dempsey
    6. Jermaine Jones
    7. Jozy Altidore
    8. Carlos Bocanegra
    9. Jay DeMerit
    10. Jonathan Spector
    11. Steve Cherundolo
    12. Charlie Davies
    13. Brian Ching
    14. Benny Feilhaber
    15. Brad Guzan
    16. Maurice Edu
    17. Stuart Holden
    18. Chad Marshall
    19. Jonathan Bornstein
    20. Frankie Hejduk
    21. Robbie Rogers
    22. Rico Clark
    23. Troy Perkins

    The break from "virtual lock if he stays in form" to "looks probable" occurs between 16 and 17. #24, in my mind, is Torres. Adu can also get in the picture with PT. Sacha and Beasley could if they return to form, but I doubt that will happen with DMB. Maybe Sacha.
  4. dred

    dred Member+

    Nov 7, 2000
    Land of Champions
    I pretty much agree with this. Donovan has to be first on the scale of "how big a scandal would it take to get him kicked off the team". Howard is the most valuable in the transfer market, but is also replaceable.

    I can imagine scenarios where Marshall doesn't make it, or Heath Pearce passes Hejduk or Bornstein.
  5. Raulduke

    Raulduke New Member

    Feb 16, 2006
    Shreveport, LA
    Once you get past about 17, there is no certainty this far out.
  6. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As a member of the listing Jay DeMerit twice (on another thread), I salute you!

    1. Landon Donovan
    2. Tim Howard
    3. Clint Dempsey
    4. Michael Bradley
    5. Oguchi Onyewu
    6. Carlos Bocanegra
    7. Jermaine Jones
    8. Benny Feilhaber
    9. Brad Guzan
    10. Jozy Altidore
    11. Jay DeMerit
    12. Steve Cherundolo
    13. Jonathan Spector
    14. Charlie Davies
    15. Brian Ching
    -------------Above this line, I'm pretty certain they go-----------
    16. Rico Clark
    17. Maurice Edu
    18. Marcus Hahnemann
    19. Chad Marshall
    20. Frankie Hejduk
    21. Jose Torres
    22. Stuart Holden
    23. Robbie Rogers
    24. Jonathan Bornstein
    25. Heath Pearce
    26. Troy Perkins
    27. Freddy Adu
    28. Sacha Kljestan
    29. DaMarcus Beasley
    30. Kenny Cooper
    31. Danny Califf
    32. Jimmy Conrad
    33. Edgar Castillo
    34. Kyle Beckerman
    35. A host of others:
  7. angrywhiteman

    angrywhiteman Member

    May 26, 2004
    CO Mountains
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1. Tim Howard
    2. Landon Donovan
    3. Oguchi Onyewu
    4. Carlos Bocanegra
    5. Michael Bradley
    6. Jozy Altidore
    7. Clint Dempsey
    8. Steve Cherundolo
    9. Jonathan Spector
    10. Jay DeMerit
    11. Ricardo Clark
    12. Charlie Davies
    13. Brad Guzan
    14. Benny Feilhaber
    15. Jonathan Bornstein
    16. Brian Ching
    17. Chad Marshall
    18. Stuart Holden
    Below this it's pretty vague. I'll take:
    19. Troy Perkins
    20. Jermaine Jones (I've never seen him play so I'm not comfortable putting him higher than this)
    21. Jose Francisco Torres
    22. Heath Pearce
    23. Robbie Rogers
  8. Arid_Torpor

    Arid_Torpor Member

    Jun 1, 2006
    Durham, NC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'd take Frankie over Pearce any day. And I expect Bradley to rate Edu ahead of Torres, but we'll see.
  9. deuteronomy

    deuteronomy Member+

    Angkor Siem Reap FC
    United States
    Aug 12, 2008
    at the pitch
    Siem Reap Angkor FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks, I had him down twice but listed 24 players ( I moved him up after consideration:rolleyes:, lol) Then forgot to take him off.

    Your roster selections are always great and I particularly enjoy selections 24-34, here!
  10. cpwilson80

    cpwilson80 Member+

    Mar 20, 2001
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here are my 23, by category:

    Could not fathom our World Cup team without these guys, even in terrible form or return from injury.

    01. Howard
    02. Donovan
    03. Dempsey
    04. Onyewu
    05. Bocanegra
    06. Bradley
    07. Jones *
    08. Cherundolo
    09. Altidore

    --Almost Certain--
    Pretty sure to be on the team, but could imagine them at home with a tragic loss in form

    10. Guzan
    11. Spector
    12. Davies
    13. DeMerit

    --Made it: Dearth of Options Version--
    In a different cycle, might not make it, but I'd expect an appearance

    14. Ching
    15. Bornstein

    --Made it: Unjamming the Log Version--
    Lots of depth at center mid and center back: here's who I bring

    16. Feilhaber
    17. Edu
    18. Clark
    19. Torres
    20. Marshall

    An attempt to fill gaps in the roster with these final spots

    21. Perkins
    22. Holden
    23. Adu

    GK (3): Howard, Guzan, Perkins
    DEF (7): Cherundolo, Onyewu, DeMerit, Bocanegra, Spector, Bornstein, Marshall
    MID (9): Dempsey, Donovan, Bradley, Jones, Feilhaber, Edu, Clark, Torres, Holden
    FWD (4): Altidore, Davies, Ching, Adu

    • I'd rather have one more central defender on here and one less midfielder, but I'm hoping that Bocanegra, Spector, and - in a pinch - Edu's versatility can mitigate that need.
    • Jones is a total wildcard at this point, but if he makes the switch, I don't see how we omit a quality Bundesliga player.
    • For my last three, I'm not attached to any third keeper (nor does it matter.) Holden gives us versatility in the midfield, and I think he beats out Kljestan for that floater spot. Adu makes the trip strictly as an attacking sub, hence his grouping with the forwards.
  11. dwsmith1972

    dwsmith1972 BigSoccer Supporter

    May 11, 2007
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1. Landon
    2. Clint
    3. Howard
    4. Onyewu
    5. Bradley
    6. Jones
    7. Jozy
    8. Bocanegra
    9. Spector
    10. Davies
    11. Ching
    12. Edu
    13. Benny
    14. Guzan
    15. Demerit
    16. Hejduk
    17. Hahneman
    18. Torres
    19. Adu
    20. Rogers
    21. Castillo
    22. Holden
    23. Marshall

    My thinking is driven largely by versatility. My starting 11 would probably look like the Spain gamel, with the insertion of Jones for Clark.

    GK[ 3]: Howard, Guzan, Hahneman

    Def[7]: Spector, Onyewu, Boca, Demerit, Castillo, Marshall, Hejduk

    Yes, no Dolo. Dolo could return depending on his health and his season at Hannover. Now, I rate Spector more highly and he can play either side or as a backup in the center. Hejduk’s versatility gives him the edge over Dolo as a backup.

    MF[10]: Clint, Landon, Bradley, Jones, Benny, Edu, Torres, Holden, Adu, Rogers

    Again, the backups are about versatility. Edu edges Clark because of his upside and the fact that he could in a pinch play CB. This presumes he is healthy and back in his Rangers form. I take torres and Adu because of they are unique players. Holden makes the team because he can play all over the midfield.

    F [3]: Jozy, Davies, Ching

    Again, Landon or Clint could conceivably be pushed up front, as could Freddy or Rogers.
  12. voros

    voros Member

    Jun 7, 2002
    Parts Unknown
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Number one is definitely Michael Bradley. After that it's negotiable.
  13. molman

    molman New Member

    Jun 25, 2009
    Fulham FC
    1. Tim Howard
    2.Landon Donovan
    3. Clint Dempsey
    4. Michael Bradley
    5. Oguchi Onyewu
    6. Carlos Bocanegra
    7. Jermaine Jones
    8. Charlie Davies
    9. Jozy Altidore
    10. Jay DeMerit
    11. Jonathan Spector
    12. Steve Cherundolo
    13. Benny Feilhaber
    14. Brad Guzan
    15. Brian Ching
    16. Rico Clark
    17. Maurice Edu
    18. Frankie Hejduk
    19. Jose Torres
    20. Stuart Holden
    21. Marcus Hahnemann
    22. Edgar Castillo
    23. DaMarcus Beasley :eek:

    Everyone left the Beas off their list? Don't get me wrong he sucked at the CC, but I cant give up on him yet. I think he'll figure it out in a year.
  14. minya

    minya Member

    Mar 27, 2008
    san diego, ca
    Of course. But if we rate based on how much worse team becomes without
    a player X then we will have something like that:

    Potential starters
    1. Donovan (because he is Donovan).
    2. Gooch (much improved)
    3. Howard (underwhelming at CC, but all our keepers are overrated, Friedel would start if available)
    4. Dempsey (is able to score a goal at any second)
    5. Feilhaber (unique, as Donovan is able to make everybody on his team look better)
    6. Altidore (just get in shape kid)
    7. Bradley (would be higher, but Edu is very close)
    8. Edu (this close and he is emergency CB)
    9. Davis (we got no forwards)
    10. Ching (see Davis)
    11. Spector (could be higher but Dolo and Frankie are here)
    12. Dolo (depending on opponent he might be better than Spector)
    13. Boca (very solid CB with plenty of equals, or lousy LB but the rest is worse)
    14. Hejduk (I suspect that he is our best LB, the only natural leader on the team)
    15. Guzan (is he better than Perkins, Heynemann, Keller)?
    16. DeMeritt (probably better than Boca as a CB)
    17. Bornstein (by default)
    Players that aren't starters unless injuries/cards kick in.

    18. Holden (next to Donovan, the most versatile player
    19. Marshall (Fourth CB might get minutes)
    20. Torres (situational sub)
    21. Clark (underrated, limited but good, situational sub)
    22. Goalkeeper #3
    23. The guy that never plays. Current candidates depending on form:
    Rogers, Adu, Cooper, Clejstan whoever else can play on the wing)

    And than there is Jones who might be compatible or not, valuable or not and headcase or not. He can reshuffle the list.
    And Castillo who is a headcase but might be a very useful headcase depending on form.
  15. Mick7184

    Mick7184 New Member

    Jan 21, 2007
    Franklin, Mass
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1 Howard
    2 Donovan
    3 Dempsey
    4 Onyewu
    5 Bradley
    6 Bocanegra
    7 Guzan
    8 Altidore
    9 Jones
    10 DeMerit
    11 Davies
    12 Spector
    13 Cherundolo
    14 Edu
    15 Feilhaber
    16 Bornstein
    17 Ching
    18 Marshall
    19 Rogers
    20 Holden
    21 Clark
    22 Hahnemann
    23 Hejduk
  16. deuteronomy

    deuteronomy Member+

    Angkor Siem Reap FC
    United States
    Aug 12, 2008
    at the pitch
    Siem Reap Angkor FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ten actual lineups so far, each with some very good thinking. I will do a composite after the thread dies.
    Each lineup player will be given a point 23 for first player named (1 for the final player named). Probably about 30 players will be named, so each player named on the 23 man roster for the composite will have a number.
  17. Adiaga Two

    Adiaga Two Member+

    Oct 4, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1. Howard
    2. Donovan
    3. Onyewu
    4. Bocanegra
    5. Bradley
    6. Dempsey
    7. Altidore
    8. Jones
    9. Cherundolo
    10. Feilhaber
    11. Spector
    12. Edu
    13. Ching
    14. Davies
    15. Guzan
    16. Torres
    17. Hejduk
    18. Beasley
    19. Pearce
    20. Clark
    21. Bornstein
    22. Hahnemann
    23. Conrad

    24. Adu
    25. Wynne
    26. Cooper
    27. Marshall
    28. Castillo
    29. Rogers
    30. Kljestan
    31. Parkhurst
    32. Holden
    33. Johnson
    34. Perkins
    35. Casey
    36. Keller
  18. thejuggernaut

    thejuggernaut Member

    Mar 25, 2007
    Manchester City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't know whom... I just know whom not to pick:
    1. Demarcus Beasley
    2. Marvell Wynne
    3. Taylor Twellman
    4. Eddie Johnson
    5. Josh Wolf
    6. Bobby Convey
    7. Pablo Maestroeni
    8. Logan Pause
    9. Heath Pearce
    10. Jay Heaps
    11.Jimmy Conrad
    12. Conor Casey
    13. Sacha Kljestan
    14. Danny Califf
    15. Cory Gibbs
    16. and of course... Jeff Agoos

    Now just take none of these 16 and we're straight.......dave.
  19. dwsmith1972

    dwsmith1972 BigSoccer Supporter

    May 11, 2007
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You know, I have been rewatching the 2002 WC and Beasley was really awesome. And simply for that fact, I have to "honor" his service and defend him a bit. Yes he was awful in SA and has been erratic the past few years. But just due to 2002 he will always be above Twellman, for instance, and lots of those other guys. And on the off chance that he makes a move to a club and gets some PT and gets some good form, I wouldnt hesitate to put him back in my 23.

    But for the record, I found your post funny
  20. Cool Hand Luke

    Cool Hand Luke Member+

    Aug 13, 2008
    Austin Texas
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1.Tim Howard
    2.Landon Donovan
    3.Oguchi Onyewu
    4.Clint Dempsey
    5.Michael Bradley
    6.Jozy Altidore
    7.Carlos Bocanegra
    8.Jonathan Spector
    9.Charlie Davies
    10.Jermaine Jones
    11.Jay Demerit
    12.Brad Guzan
    13.Ricardo Clark
    14.Brian Ching
    15.Benny Feilhaber
    16.Steve Cherundolo
    17.Jonathan Bornstein
    18.Chad Marshall
    19.Stuart Holden
    20.Jose Francisco Torres
    21.Robbie Rogers
    22.Conor Casey
    23.Frankie Hejduk

    Something like that.
  21. deuteronomy

    deuteronomy Member+

    Angkor Siem Reap FC
    United States
    Aug 12, 2008
    at the pitch
    Siem Reap Angkor FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Put a decent MLS Goalkeeper with this group and they might have made it out of their group in the Gold Cup.:D (I actually think these are a better bunch than tied Haiti Saturday night).

    -------Pablo------Pause--------- (no creative midfielder)
    --------Casey---Eddie Johnson----
  22. MtMike

    MtMike Member+

    Nov 18, 1999
    the 417
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1. Landon
    2. Tim
    3. MB
    4. Gooch
    5. Dempsey
    6. Jones (if applicable)
    7. Boca
    8. Spector
    9. Jozy
    10. Feilhaber
    11. Guzan
    12. Davies
    13. Edu
    14. DeMerit
    15. Rico Clark
    16. Montero.. oh, crap, ... Ching
    17. Hejduk
    18. Holden
    19. Conrad
    20. Hanneman
    21. Marshall
    22. Torres
    23. LB backup to be determined. Really 2nd backup since Frankie can play on both sides.

    Frankie can play both sides, Boca can play in center or on left, Edu can play back there in a pinch. Only 3 fw on the roster, but Dempsey and Donovan can play up there, and probably will more once we get Jones which will push MB further up the field.

    Alternates: Sacha, Freddie, Califf, Casey
  23. jogobonito

    jogobonito Member

    Jan 24, 2002
    1. Howard
    2. Donovan
    3. Onyewu
    4. Bradley
    5. Dempsey
    6. Bocanegra
    7. Ching
    8. Davies
    9. Feilhaber
    10. Altidore
    11. Jones
    12. Spector
    13. Edu
    14. Cherundolo
    15. Guzan
    16. Clark
    17. DeMerit
    18. Beasley
    19. Holden
    20. Hejduk
    21. Kljestan
    22. Adu
    23. Hahnemann

    i'd prefer Torres over Kljestan on current form, but JFT is not Bob's guy, Sacha is
  24. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    1. Donovan (LM)
    2. Timmy! (GK)
    3. Clint (RM)
    4. Gooch (CB)
    5. Benny (CM/AM)
    6. Mike B (CM/AM)
    7. DeMerit (CB)
    8. Jozy (CF)
    9. Spector (CB)
    10. Boca (CB)
    11. Rico (CM/DM)
    12. Dolo (RB)
    13. El Guzano! (GK)
    14. Bornstein (LB)
    15. Hejduk (RB)
    16. Davies (CF)
    17. Edu (CM/DM)
    18. Holden (RM)
    19. Rogers (LM)
    20. Perkins (GK)
    21. Pearce (LB)
    22. Ching (CF)
    23. Adu (CF)

    * I'd prefer for Adu to play RM and Dempsey to play CF.
  25. lmorin

    lmorin Member+

    Mar 29, 2000
    New Hampshire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1. Bradley, Dempsey, Donovan, Howard, Onyewu

    6. Bocanegra, Clark, Guzan

    9. Altidore, Cherundolo, Davies, Ching, DeMerit, Spector

    15. Edu, Hejduk, Perkins

    18. Feilhaber

    19. Bornstein, Holden

    21. Rogers

    22. Conrad

    23. probably Jones, but since I've never seen him...........

Share This Page