News: Peter Walton - on a mission to improve North American refereeing

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by tab5g, Jul 13, 2012.

  1. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    Meet the 'ref czar'
    Former EPL ref Peter Walton is on a mission to improve North American refereeing


    There's a mention of 2022 again, another indication of MLS's "ten-year plan" (or vague hopes).

     
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  2. QuakeAttack

    QuakeAttack Member+

    Apr 10, 2002
    California - Bay Area
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    First, I think that it's great that someone is trying to address the issue (US Soccer, MLS, other?) are trying to tackle the issue (pun intended). In the past, the quality of play followed by quality of officiating where prime areas of dissatisfaction in watching MLS Games. Due to multiple reasons (expansion and loss of some experienced officials), I would have to say that my number one issue with MLS is the quality of officiating. Unfortunately, there are very few games in which I don't feel the official is inconsistent.

    Also, rather than saying that the officials are sometimes "naive", I think that they lack an understanding of soccer at the higher levels. However, I think that one issue not mentioned in the article is the direction provided by the MLS. Couple of years ago, we heard that "too many fouls were being called" and MLS was going to direct the officials to call only those fouls which give one team an advantage more than the other. Well, we got shirt pulling, shoving, and other so called ticky tak fouls which impact the flow of the game just as much as the fouls that were previous being called. I'd rather see the fouls being called and persistence used to give yellow cards and start sending a message to the players.
     
  3. Beau Dure

    Beau Dure Member+

    May 31, 2000
    Vienna, VA
    What would an EPL ref know about refereeing?

    I'm not really kidding.
     
  4. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
    near Palo Alto, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm disappointed with this article. He thinks the way to develop the refs is by throwing them in the fire, working MLS games so they can develop the Feel. That's too ethereal for most Americans. If that's the direction coming from the top of the professional referee organization, then we're looking at even worse refereeing over the next 2 years (at which point the MLS will insist on a new executive). That's my prediction.
     
  5. Beau Dure

    Beau Dure Member+

    May 31, 2000
    Vienna, VA
    A new "executive"? At U.S. Soccer, you mean?
     
  6. crazypete13

    crazypete13 Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 7, 2007
    A walk from BMO
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    I, for one, welcome (the somewhat) our new referee overlord.
     
  7. SYoshonis

    SYoshonis Member+

    Jun 8, 2000
    Lafayette, Louisiana
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, for one, I think that English refs do a better job of communicating with players during games. I like, for example, that an English ref will typically talk to a player that he's booking to tell him exactly what he did to warrant the card, before showing it. I HATE seeing a ref just flash the card at the back of a player running away from him.

    They also tend to not tolerate the more demonstrative dissent that refs in other countries do. I REALLY HATE how MLS refs tend to just wade through a huddle of bitching players swarming around like gnats after a call.

    I would love to see MLS refs act more like English refs in both of those cases. I'm not sure if this guy will teach these things, but I hope so.
     
  8. DoctorD

    DoctorD Member+

    Sep 29, 2002
    MidAtlantic
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He can start with the guy who reffed the PHL - MON game tonight.
     
  9. JG

    JG Member+

    Jun 27, 1999
    More than EPL commentators.
     
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  10. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
    near Palo Alto, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was referring to the referee czar = the top executive of the professional referee organization. Peter walton, The subject of this thread.
     
  11. Fiosfan

    Fiosfan Red Card

    Mar 21, 2010
    Nevada
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "I hate Peter Walton" .
    signed by: Abiodun Okulaja.
     
  12. Spursfan1

    Spursfan1 Member+

    Sep 7, 2010
    Atlanta
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    the EPL doesnt always have the best reffing but more often than not the refereeing excels.
     
  13. Spursfan1

    Spursfan1 Member+

    Sep 7, 2010
    Atlanta
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Peter Walton was a pretty good ref too. I am excited about this change. this could really change refereeing in America over the next decade. we could have some more FIFA refs who are American and maybe end up as a 4th official at the world cup in Qatar or maybe in 2026. Its about time we have that.
     
  14. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You mean like Kevin Stott, who was a 4th official at the 2006 World Cup? Or Brian Hall who was the center ref in two games at the 2002 World Cup? Just because there were no American refs in South Africa doesn't mean we're so far behind that we have to wait until 2022 or 2026 to get a ref at the World Cup. :rolleyes:
     
  15. Beau Dure

    Beau Dure Member+

    May 31, 2000
    Vienna, VA
    Um ... are you serious?

    1982 and 1986: David Socha

    1990: Vinnie Mauro - http://www.socceramerica.com/article/7356/dire-referee-shortage-on-horizon.html

    1994: Arturo Angeles

    1998: Esse Baharmast - http://www.canoe.ca/SoccerWCNews/jul10_ref.html

    2002: Brian Hall (one of the few who DIDN'T suck)

    Maybe you're kidding, or maybe you're just referring to the lack of U.S. officials in the last two Cups, but just in case people had forgotten, I figured I'd make the list.

    And I stumbled into an interesting analysis suggesting Mark Geiger could make the 2014 cut: http://footballrefereeing.blogspot.com/2012/05/2014-world-cup-prospective-list-of.html
     
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  16. Spursfan1

    Spursfan1 Member+

    Sep 7, 2010
    Atlanta
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh sorry I meant hte final. Like the final game.
     
  17. Spursfan1

    Spursfan1 Member+

    Sep 7, 2010
    Atlanta
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    whoa whoa whoa sorry. I am saying the world cup final. I would love to see an American ref the world cup FINAL. like the final game. sorry!

    :(

    I have confused everyone.

    I mean come on to ref during the world cup game?

    that doesnt take that much.

    we all remember Coulibaly

    oh do we ever.....
     
  18. Sachsen

    Sachsen Member+

    Aug 8, 2003
    Broken Arrow, Okla.
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dude, come on. You're going to see an American reffing the final about the same time you see the American TEAM in the final. Actually, you might see the team there sooner.

    Both might be "never", and that's ok - that's the reality of world soccer. I'd settle with just having American refs at the tournament on a regular basis. More than one would be a big step up.
     
  19. Beau Dure

    Beau Dure Member+

    May 31, 2000
    Vienna, VA
    I'd agree. They'll save the final for refs who've done "big games" -- and that usually means a fair share of EPL, Serie A, Champions League, Copa Libertadores or something similar in addition to the usual international fare.
     
  20. iron81

    iron81 Member+

    Jan 6, 2011
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Usually that's true, but sometimes circumstances work out so that people you wouldn't expect get big games. In games between countries from different confederations, FIFA won't appoint a referee from either confederation. If a European country plays a South American country, FIFA will appoint a ref not from those two continents, which excludes the refs who have done those big games. This is the scenario which allowed American Mark Geiger to ref the U-20 WC Final last year.
     

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