Peter Crouch...world class?

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  1. hasselbrad

    hasselbrad Member

    Jul 25, 2006
    Sugar Hill, GA
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I just want to thank you for posting him doing the robot. It makes me smile.
     
  2. Power_of_foot

    Power_of_foot Red Card

    May 28, 2004
    Peter Crouch is just an average player.
    Also, he dances so weirdly too.

     
  3. Power_of_foot

    Power_of_foot Red Card

    May 28, 2004
    Someone picked him 'cause he is tall.

     
  4. Alan_V

    Alan_V Member

    Apr 22, 2003
    Anaheim, CA via NJ
    Club:
    Blackburn Rovers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bobby McMahon, the football pundit on FSC, has an entry on his blog that discusses this question. have a peek if you're interested.

    http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/BobbyMcMahon

    It's not the first entry on the page, you have to scroll down a ways.
     
  5. AllWhitebeliever

    AllWhitebeliever Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 4, 2006
    On the injury table
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    New Zealand
    Yes, Just by reading Bobby blogs he is very good soccer analyst (8.5/10), but he is what I call a wide spectum analyst and has negected a few points that is already covered in this thread. But at least he is honest to say that he is not totally convinced by Crouch and it seems that he is waiting for more results (fair enough). However, he is dependant on some stats but does not provide the full picture like Crouch's goal drought and the number of times he has appeared as a substitute during his career. But currently, from Dec 3rd 2005, Crouch has a remarkable goals per game for Liverpool and England, that was virtually non-existed beforehand. What most people fail to comment is that outside Linkear and Dixie Dean, Crouch has scored goals per club game appearance as much as any other striker that has represented England.

    I scrolled down the page of that webpage and found this:

    http://football.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,,1868557,00.html

    It's by David Lacey of the Guardian. It makes a number of well presented points.

    Still Crouch has to be the most talked about English player currently topping Beckham. You think that he will get the personality of the year award this year?

    :cool:

    Hang loose
     
  6. Marko

    Marko New Member

    Aug 31, 2004
    Cardiff
    11Best

    According to Wikipedia, Peter Crouch scored 8 league goals last season and no CL goals in a combined 40 matches (32 EPL, 8 UCL). Your point still stands though - that's a bad return for any striker, let alone one of a "world class" variety.

    In all seriousness, this topic didn't warrant such a lengthy debate. I think even most Liverpool fans would admit that he's not world class, but while he's scoring regularly at NT level, it would be extremely harsh for England to drop him.

    It's easy to point out that the teams he's scored against have generally been substandard, but if it were so straightforward to score heavily against them, why don't all strikers do the same? England didn't exactly hammer Liechtenstein (or any minnow, really) under Sven.

    That's a little bit rich, considering all four (why those four btw?) national teams that you claim to support did no better than England did this year (one of them did not even qualify).
     
  7. midknight

    midknight New Member

    Sep 5, 2005
    Paris
    Thats a little rich considering that it doesn't have anything whatsoever to do with the topic or my point :rolleyes:

    FYI
    - I support TNT because I'm Trinidadian
    - I support Brazil for the joga bonita (obviously not what we saw from them in the WC)
    - I support Czech Republic because of my memories of them in Euro 1996 (hazy) and Euro 2004 (clear). I don't think I've ever seen a european team play that beautifully in my lifetime with the exception of Holland (who incidentally I'm obliged to dislike as long as Darth Ruuthless plays for them)
    - I support Ireland because I consider that they're the exemplars of the Warrior spirit (relatively limited talent, generally underdogs but all effort, determination and persistence)

    Oh yeah btw, real supporters don't actually change their affiliation if the team doesn't do well, in case you forget, so them not doing better than England is neither here nor there for me.

    Excuse me for deciding to take a little dig at Ingerland. All white believer felt he was entitled to 'make a little joke' about someone i consider a very good defender (and a really decent individual besides) who was extremely hard done by a cheating goat (who I consider was placed ahead of more deserving strikers for reasons that remain a mystery to me but for which I have my suspicions), so I 'made a little joke' about the Big Bad Three Lions team that's supposed to win the world cup every time it comes around.

    When I said it was symptomatic of England, I think the WC performance speaks for itself. It got the job done (well at least until the Portugal game :p ) but it wasn't either particularly stylish nor convincing...
    reminds me of someone.
     
  8. Alan_V

    Alan_V Member

    Apr 22, 2003
    Anaheim, CA via NJ
    Club:
    Blackburn Rovers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As long as he keeps it up, I think he's going to have to start taking his holidays in the states. :D
     
  9. midknight

    midknight New Member

    Sep 5, 2005
    Paris
    Let me guess ... you're the kind of person that catches his wife in bed with another guy and assumes that its because she was walking around, slipped, fell out of her clothes and into his arms right?
     
  10. AllWhitebeliever

    AllWhitebeliever Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 4, 2006
    On the injury table
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    New Zealand
    HaHa...

    No I would be the Film Director saying "Crouch, stop playing with that TNT defender, he's not that girly!" and then turn around say to you "Quit playing with the zoom lens of the camera because this is getting a bit too rich to keep the film running":p

    Anyway, you know that Crouch isn't looking to cheat on purpose like Mardona's hand of God, it's not as though he has a hair fetish either. :D But I don't think the Crouch warrants the cheating label because of a single incident againest a good defender when there is plenty of real intentional cheats to debunk. So maybe he was a bit carried away but he doesn't need to be nit-picked on, especially by so-called England Admirers.

    I do admire the TNT team and hope that England gets to play them a couple of times more in the recent future. I personally don't mind if the TNT beats England cause England isn't my main team, although I do admire them too.

    But I admit that Crouch deserve better than the rubblish people are throwing at him because he does deserve his place in the team. What annoys me more is that England supporters are mocking him his limitation, but he himself has a "Soca Warrior spirit" (relatively limited talent, generally underdogs but all effort, determination and persistence) and is an exemplar that even you should be supporting. Which is the essence why I do admire England on whole, they are group of competitive fighters with less skill or talent in the top 10 countries, they don't seem to deserve being up there but they keep pulling it off, and are more politer than most of the top teams, IMHO which is why they there are plenty of non-english fans.

    Midknight, I am now even more sure that you are going to end up being Johnny-come-lately fan of Crouch as well. Just admit it, you are a closet Crouch fan.

    :)

    Hang loose

    BTW Sorry for calling your mate a "girl", I'm just being a funny bunny...I thought you would have pick that up?
     
  11. jiwsuz

    jiwsuz New Member

    Aug 25, 2006
    I think he is so far for world class player
     
  12. FOOF!

    FOOF! New Member

    Sep 20, 2006
    London
    Peter Crouch has proven a lot of people wrong, but come on he's scoring goals against crappy teams like Andorra and Macedonia! Plus he's a lanky String bean
     
  13. Arsenal_pwns_all

    Arsenal_pwns_all New Member

    Aug 13, 2004
    If Andy Johnson had been playing instead of Crouch for those England matches he would have scored more goals.
     
  14. chips_ahoy

    chips_ahoy New Member

    Sep 23, 2006
    crouch world class?? more like world ass clown...
     
  15. Prenn

    Prenn Member

    Apr 14, 2000
    Ireland
    Club:
    Bolton Wanderers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Such intellect.
     
  16. Makeudonald

    Makeudonald New Member

    Sep 3, 2006
    I don't think he is world class but I like his dance
     
  17. Forza Moskva

    Forza Moskva New Member

    Sep 20, 2004
    Mila Kunis' Crib
    Why doesn't Benitez play Crouch in the EPL?
     
  18. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    just because a player is good enogh for england doesn't make him liverpool class :D
     
  19. lost

    lost Member

    May 24, 2006
    England
    the above comment is supposed to be from an MU fan. Funny.
     
  20. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    a UTD fan?

    you really are clueless aren't you.
     
  21. lost

    lost Member

    May 24, 2006
    England
    Sure, how come you spend your life on the mu forum, seems to be a strange place for a non fan to live. meh, carry on.
     
  22. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium

    as i said. you really are clueless.
     
  23. midknight

    midknight New Member

    Sep 5, 2005
    Paris
    Fair enough. I can't say I have any other evidence to say he's a cheat...but thats just the way it goes. You score one wonder free kick in a friendly tournament and everyone figures you're an expert at it for years to come.
    You make one fascist salute and you're branded a racist for life etc etc I could go on for ages. It just depends on how many witnesses there are.

    I'm not sure if you're talking about the same England team that the media tries to shove down our throat every two years, but I agree with you on Crouch. He does the best with what he has. So does Christopher Birchall. But neither one is world class in my books for that. Where I do disagree with you is the idea that England doesn't have better strikers who can also show that fighting spirit. If it really is the case, then you'd understand better my comment about Crouch being symptomatic of England...

    :eek:

    Sorry, the incident still has me rankled...I still believe we'd have held on for the draw if it wasn't for that play and quite frankly, I don't think we'd have played the same way against PAraguay if we had held BOTH group favourites scoreless, but then again I'm just extrapolating...Who knows. Maybe we'll get a rematch in 2010 :D
     
  24. SilkyLeftFoot

    SilkyLeftFoot New Member

    Sep 4, 2006
    Crouch World Class?
    Certainly not.

    A high International standard yes, but World Class is an accolade too far.

    I think the only players England have that can be regarded World Class are: Wayne Rooney, Frank Lampard, Steven Gerrard and John Terry.
     
  25. Matt Clark

    Matt Clark Member

    Dec 19, 1999
    Liverpool
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    Liverpool FC
    And Ashley Cole.
     

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