Peru vs Colombia Copa America 2021 Third Place Match: (July 9ty)

Cuadrado had a great career in Italy and plays/Stars for Juve…. I hate him on the National team but career wise he is top 5 with Falcao, Ivan Cordoba, Luis Perea and James.

 

james for Cuadrado. It’s where Aguedelo plays in Italy just saying. Hopefully that role is Sinnisterias in the future.

Uribe or someone who can pass forward for Cuellar. That is Ruedas job he making 2 million to find that guy

Fabra or Fuentes for Tesillo. Maybe try Munoz, Arias or Cuadrado there to see if they can.

 

Cuadrado has been a legend for the NT as well

he is just frustrating because of his dumb holding the ball too long shenanigans

 

There's SEVERAL possible replacements for Cuadrado. You're acting as if we didn't play the ENTIRE Quieroz cycle with him as an 8. Thus, he can be replaced on the wing. The most logical choice would be James, but there are several young wingers playing competitively in tough leagues who NEVER get any chance at all. You know who they are. You follow this forum.

This conservativism has to stop. Look at how long it took for Munoz to finally get minutes after he had been first called up a couple years ago. Medina is simply a guy who can do the job, but never has and never will be anything special. Munoz proved he is the next best option to Arias in this tournament, but many of us predicted he would be ever since he was at Nacional. (Actually, I think CRZD is the first person to bring him up on these boards when he was at Rionegro...)

This isn't the early 2000s. We have talent playing abroad in every single position. They just have to be given a chance.

And if you're alluding to COVID when you say "current circumstances," once again, Rueda just bombed the perfect circumstance he had to test things out. We had to give up hosting. There's no such tihng as the Confederations Cup anymore. He himself said he was using this tournament to "experiment." Even the one viable prospect he called, Campaz, got no shot at all in this meaningless tournament.

 

This is the ENTIRE point, Homie.

When you call Yimmy Chara and Juan Ferney Otero for a callup, it speaks levels to the caliber of players who ARE and ARE NOT on Rueda's radar. There's no excuse for Sinisterra, Santi Moreno, Valoyes, and Carbonero to not be on his radar with the level they've shown against the competition they face. There's no reason for Agudelo to not be on the radar, even if he isn't an absolute starter for his club, simply because he's a young, talented Colombian.

EVERYBODY should be in Rueda's radar. Whether he trusts them is another story. Like I said in the previous post, the players will gain trust when they actually start to play. We can only reasonably expect that to happen when less pressured minutes arise, which isn't often. Rueda blew that completely with the only 3 prospects he has on the roster: Lucumi, Cuesta, and Campaz. And Lucumi HAS played before and done well...

 

I don't even think he should be benched. I liked Cuadrado a lot when he was playing 8 for Quieroz. His workrate caused him to own that position, and in that spot he wasn't allowed to be a main reference point and detractor of our attack.

That might be hard to work in for Reuda's tactics, but it's his job to know the performance of his team. The media fell in love with Cuadrado and started calling him the leader of the team for how he played under Quieroz and his system.

Moreover, I'm pretty sure Rueda himself recognizes the lack of offensive punch Cuadrado gives us. In the match vs Argentina, Rueda had Cuadrado move to RB to accomodate for Chara as the RW. Cuadrado's contribution to that match contributed GREATLY from that point forward because he had more room to operate, just like he does for Juve.

Reality is not generated by anybody. Reality is reality. There's no subjectivity to it.

 

What a waste of a game, why on earth would you play Cuadrado, Barrios, Duvan and push these guys for more minutes in a game that means nothing when you can try out younger players? Rueda is making some really stupid decisions, Murillo and Chara???? Not getting to see Campaz and not starting the young CB's is unjustifiable. You're 'stars' are overworked and you trout them out here?

IDK there are a lot of bad signs with Rueda right now, he goes to Chara over Muriel? We have not played well all of this tournament, if you take out the wonder goals of Diaz we are a lot worse off. He's gonna frustrate a lot of people and the pressure is going to build on him at the first sign of adversity.

 

No reason to get snarky, Homie. And no need to get semantic either.

Several thoughts and claims are being made in all our posts and this thread is titled "Peru vs Colombia." There's not one single argument going on here, and we're not having a one-on-one anyways. It's a discussion.

BUT, if we're gonna go that route, CRZD himself didn't say he should be benched, he said he "hated him" for Colombia. You said there's "no logical replacement for him." CRZD specifically brought up options of replacing him as a RW--not for any other position. I continued from this premise, and discussed the other wing options.

Going into the "reality" as the manager sees it is kind of a cop out. We can't possibly know it, only analyze and hypothesize.

Moreover, you're immediate retort to Crzd's first response was "James is dead to me." We know full and well this is not the reality for Rueda. He is a viable option, and has proven to be a viable option in Cuadrado's position in his most recent appearances for Colombia and for his club.

And to attest to the "reality" of things, the reality is that James and Cuadrado were playing fine in Quieroz' system with James at RW and Cuadrado behind him as an 8, with the latter playing some of the best futbol he has for Colombia in the past 5 years.

 

My thoughts exactly.

In an ideal world, James works things out with Rueda and Quintero is liberated to travel. With those two around, you bring a lot more balance to the field and take the pressure away from Diaz, who, truly, got us results in these last 4 matches by himself.

I'm EXTREMELY worried about the calendar coming up when it comes to our defense. There's no way with the luck Davinson has at his club and the frequency with which Mina gets injured that these two can play every minute of the potential 9 matches that will be played in the Fall. Forget the question of form...what if one of them gets suspended or injured?

We are DOOMED if we have to rely on Murillo, with the defense already as shoddy as it is, especially when it comes to aerial threats. I, for one, have faith that Lucumi and Cuesta can handle the pressure if they're forced to play minutes.

But it's very irresponsible of the coach to throw a kid into the wolves like that in a high pressure situation with no acclimation. Cuesta, especially, will be crucified if he debuts in a big loss. And it seems that Rueda prefers Cuesta over Lucumi. I'm still baffled how he did not start yesterday...

 

I personally don't really care about the results of getting third one way or the other, the process is what will pay over time. We were basically saved by Diaz scoring ********ing golazo's, our team did not create good chances consistently that are going to be reproducible. Your job as a coach is to scout and do your homework and to see and integrate new players and get them ready for a long cycle. Mina and Sanchez and all the starters aren't accustomed with his tactics either, they are playing, you can do the same with new younger players who are going to be needed, simply trying to get 3rd and rollin out less talented players because they know your tactics doesn't make any sense on multiple levels. It's not close based on age and skill level why these guys played and others didn't, Muriel has been the best sub in the world for scoring goals and playing that roll for almost two years and you don't really use him in that role?

People papered over CQ problems when they showed up and eventually the process played out to shit results, Rueda's process is going in a bad direction and he has less time and friendlies and chances to learn and integrate new players and he wasted a golden opportunity on bad players.

 

When you arrive at Chara playing a bunch of minutes, you start Perez and Murillo what experiments are you doing other then punting on mediocre/bad players? Experimenting with young up and coming players makes a lot of sense, sitting Cuadrado and Duvan and some others for the final game and giving others a chance makes sense, barely playing Muriel when you need a win and using Chara as the first guy off the bench doesn't really scream experiment it screams the opposite, he's defaulting to guys he knows, the problem is these guys we know do not have a ceiling high enough to be playing at this level and the others arguably do, but weren't given much of a chance. Its a head scratcher on multiple levels.

You have good points, a lot of it is a mess and maybe there's other reasons and some guys asked to not go etc, maybe more will come out but at this point there's a lot of questions we all have I'm sure and its not promising in my mind, but let's see what happens going forward. I think Rueda is a good coach overall and hope he succeeds, but I'm gonna keep being critical of what looks like mistakes as well and hope for the best.

 

It makes sense to go a little conservative with the locker room to steady the ship when we had such a shit show recently, but how do you risk a Cardona who seems to be a huge wild card? Although maybe that's not in the dressing room for him, also usually when you bring in young guys with good veteran leaders you can get the young guys to be hungry and on board quickly and if they don't tow the line you can cast them out quickly. IDK he's got time to scout and talk to these guys like you say so hopefully he uses that and digs his heels in to mold the squad and locker room, he's the captain of the ship he can set the tone and create the atmosphere better than anyone else.