Peru vs Argentina WC Qualifier [R]

Zanetti had a solid good game for me today....Gago could stop his playacting a bit, he should audition for a drama play

 

There's no killer striker that we can count on. Last few games we've relied on Palacio coming in as a sub, Aguero coming in as a sub, and now Cambiasso. Tevez has been cracking under pressure. Aguero has a difficult time playing all 90 minutes as a forward, and today was being marked just as Di Maria was vs Paraguay.

This quasi Christmas tree design that Basile swears by is proving to be too defensive.

 

I`m a bit surprised Cavenaghi hasn`t been given a shot as he`s very in form now poaching goals for Bordeaux. Not saying he`s your answer of course

 

Carrizo played great.

NO doubt he should be our #1. And if el coco still picks pato then well he's on something .

 

I think Cavenaghi should be in the squad, a) because he is in good form and deserves to be in on merit and b) because he offers an alternative, all our strikers are very similar, small, nippy and mobile players, which is fine, but sometimes you need an alternative, and bringing someone like Cavenaghi on as a sub would give Argentina an aerial presence upfront, something which we lack.

Also Maxi should be in the squad, because he scores goals from midfield, something which we currently lack.

Although it was dissapointing to concede a last minute equaliser I'm not to down about us getting a drawer, right now I think every point is vital and with Brazil drawing at home to Bolivia it turned out to be a point gained rather than 2 lost.

 

Another draw, oh boy how great our team is.

 

I'm surprised no one here gives any credit to Peru. Agreed, we were supposed to win this game, at least on paper. But they fought like lions on every ball, and believed in their chances till the last second and beyond.

Disappointing game for Argentina, of course. There should be a plan to come out of the grip of such a strong marking.

Messi had a bad game, Roman was ok, not great, but he was accurate in his distribution and knows how to hold the ball to kill a game. Unfortunately Messi lost it at the last moment, and the whole thing collapsed.

I would also put Gago as the MOTM. And Cambiasso deserves some credit. He's not a flamboyant player, but he has scored very important goals for us.

 

Also it's not like the end of the world. First of all, we are still at 2nd place and Brazil is not ahead;-)

But specially there are like a dozen more games to be played. Paraguay won't keep this good streak much longer. And we'll end on top.

 

I agree with you bsas, people just need to keep a sense of perspective, there is a long, long way to go in this qualifying tournament and I would wager any amount of money you want that Argentina (and Brazil) will qualify. Personally I don't care if we limp through to the world cup, remember when we stromed through to the finals in 2002, do I need to remind anyone what happened to the team once they got to the tournament and who ended up winning the world cup, that's right Brazil, the team that "struggled" to qualify.

 

News: El Coco lo hizo

¿Quién dijo que la Selección argentina no alegra a nadie? En Perú hay fiesta nacional desde todos los diarios: "Un punto de oro", "El mundial no está lejos", "Perú fue más", algunos de los titulares.

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Another disappointment performance. I am not worried because we drew to Peru, i am more worried by the way we played. I don't remember when was the last time i was sooo depressed watching Argentina play. I don't have any confidence on our attacking play, before Basile took over, even though we lost, i had faith on our attacking play until the final whistle. I always used to feel we are more than capable of turning the game to our favour. But recently i get nervous until and unless we are atleast 2 goals up. And i believe there are many Argentina supporters in the world, who share this sentiment.

To win games you have to score and stop others from scoring, but i don't think the defence is to blame because we are not conceeding many goals either, the problem is in our attack. We don't score goals for fun anymore.

For me the problem is our formation. It's so obvious that it's not working. We have very few attacking options on the field. That's why in my last post i said that maybe Riquelme is the one who should be dropped for another striker we desperatly need. When Riqulem is playing we have 4 attacking players(Riquelme,Messi,Di Maria and Kun) and Kun is the only one who stretches oppositions defence. When Messi/Riquelme gets the ball, there is only Kun standing alone with 2 CBs. Both Messi and Riquelme barely makes those runs which sees our 2 players against their 4 defenders. Its so easy for them to defend.

Why not play with only one DM and 2 strikers, as we used to play under Pekerman? if we want to play with 2 DMs why do we need Riquelme to control the tempo of the game? Why is it difficult to see Kun/Tevez are not sufficent to get best out of Riquelme and Messi. We have soo many brilliant strikers and we have such a great passer of the game in Messi and Riquelme, but yet we are wasting their talent.

For me, Riquelme played his best games for the NT when Saviola and Crespo were played as strikers, when Sorin could make those runs from the LB and give Riquelme more options to pass, when Maxi made those runs behind the defences. But right now we have no player similar to Sorin, Crespo, Saviola, and Maxi. Riquelme still has the talent and creativity to open up any defence in the world, but if this is the team Riquelme has in his disposal then we will never see his best days back. We should either drop Riquelme or 1 DM the answer lies here to me.

Either we should play this way:

-----------Carrizo------------
Zabaleta---Garay...Demi----Zanetti/Monzon/Heinze

-------------------Mascherano-------------------
Maxi---------------Riquelme-------------Messi

--------------Kun-------------Cavenaghi/Tevez/or whoever

Or this way:
-------------------Carrizo----------------
Zabaleta-----------Garay-----Demi-----Zanetti/Monzon/Heinze

----------------Gago----------Mascherano-
Maxi-------------------------------------Messi

-------------------Tevez/Kun-------------
-
---------------------Kun/Cavenaghi/Higuain/or whoever

 

The thing is this team should not be in the position it's in. When a team outplays them they should still be looking for the three points. Like someone said earlier, we should win ugly at all costs.

Now that 4 qualification games are over, it's time to crucify the SOB's lineups.

Looks at the lineups:
Argentina (1): Juan Pablo Carrizo; Daniel Díaz, Martín Demichelis, Fabricio Coloccini; Javier Zanetti (capitán), Fernando Gago, Esteban Cambiasso, Jonás Gutiérrez; Juan Román Riquelme; Lionel Messi y Sergio Agüero. DT: Alfio Basile. Suplentes: Sergio Romero, Gabriel Heinze, Angel Di María y Lisandro López.

Daniel Diaz
Coloccini
Zanetti
Heinze
Lopez
Denis
Battaglia
Pato

All these ********ers should go. The only reason they are on the team is because this old bostero puts them there. What's the purpose of calling your strikers if you aren't going to use them. Basiles didn't even alter his lineup to play with 2 strikers, he went with just Aguero?????????
Denis did shit when he came on.

Where is Banega, Buonanotte, Lavezzi, Higuain, Insua, Cavenagi, Maxi, and a few young defenders. He puts on some young talent but doesn't even use them. These guys I mentioned above. I mean I don't understand this player selecction he's using, I just don't get it. It's messed up to begin with.

What's your point? Do I need to remind you that Brazil was two games away from elimination out of the World Cup qualifier. Is that the position you want Argentina to be in, because that's the way they are heading. At this point Argentina's performances are alarming.

 

My point aerez is that there is little point in looking like world beaters qualifying for the world cup and then not even getting out of the group stage when you get there.

Like you (and I would imagine 99% other Argentina fans) I am dissapointed with the way we have been playing of late, but a sense of perspective still needs to be maintained. There is a long way to go and Argentina are in a good position to qualify.

Volrath, Pekerman knew what he was doing until he came to his major test against Germany, and he totally and utterly bottled it.

I would like to see Maxi back in the team and also the likes of Lavezzi, Cavenghi (sorry about the spelling!) et al in the squad.

 

Yes and that perspective begins with the formation, the selection and the coaches tactics. The pressure needs to begin applying now.

 

Volrath, in my opinion there is little point is discussing Pekerman, he quit, that was his decision, time to move on.

 

Please no Pekerman, we don't need a choker as a coach.

 

Basile, Pekerman and Bielsa are all chockers if you think about it.
What about Passarella?

I'm ready to accept Batista as coach, he has an understanding like Pekerman did, he has tactics that utilize Argentina's best or average players well and he has a World Cup Win.

Basiles is old and senile.

 

Don't think Bielsa is a choker, if anything he was too consistent and stubborn to change his formation and players. I wouldn't change my team either especially after such bulldozing performances in the qualifers. The team simply hit a poor form and drawing in the group of death didn't help.

Pekerman was a scared little chicken and always made the wrongs subs in an attempt to secure the win ( see the England friendly, the opener against IC and of course the QF against germany).

I really like the little that i have seen from Batista. The only realistic replacement to Basile.

 

No Batista please.................. He played same system as Basile does and if available he will pick almost same players. This team don't need motivation or will to beat, this team need a leader with a tactic that can accomodate all the best talent we have and make them play as a team. I doubt Batista is the right man for this. I don't believe it, are we (being one of the best footballing country in the world) really so short of good coaches?

I don't think Pekerman will come back though and i am also not sure if he is the right person because he also never learnt from his mistakes. But boy, those were the days. We played some of the best football in history those days under Pekerman.

We need a coach who learns from his mistake before we get knocked out in group stage or quarterfinals of the WC