Perfetto, the Return of Carletto! - Benvenuto Carlo Ancelotti

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  1. hector_br

    hector_br Member+

    Feb 13, 2007
    That would be the only reason for me to root for Brazil. That and to show that we can't rely on native coaches anymore.
     
  2. Raul-7

    Raul-7 Member+

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    Aug 17, 2006
    NT coaching is perfect for him though; a lot less hectic than managing RM.
     
  3. petros93

    petros93 Member

    Real Madrid
    Greece
    May 27, 2017
    Nat'l Team:
    Greece
    I can never remember any coach ever getting this much affection from his players while also being in a top top level. Both times Carlo left players wished he stayed more.

    It's a sad day for the club we basically fired the best coach in our history and people think that the grass is greener on the other side. Going by chances it's not going to be. No other coach EVER did what Carlo did and that wasn't enough for a lot of people.
     
  4. hector_br

    hector_br Member+

    Feb 13, 2007
    Modric said it best today, don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened.

    Carlo is a legend and the most charismatic coach I've ever seen. I would love to spend time with him. But it is time. He deserves a lighter job.
     
  5. Galatico

    Galatico Member+

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    Aug 15, 2019
    It’ll never be enough for those types of people. They simply can’t be pleased.
     
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  6. YOUNGSTARS87

    YOUNGSTARS87 Yellow C@rd Bandit

    Dec 21, 2005
    He's imperfect.

    Yes.

    He is still our very best and loved this club and guided it his very best. I will cheer for Brazil like they are Madrid and when he is done there I know he will always have his home back with us in some capacity.

    It really sucked to see people go past criticism to shit on this man as if he wasn't everything for us... as if he wasn't qualified or didn't know tactics, etc... he has shortcomings and that is everyone of us. We needed a new voice to take us further...

    However this season wasn't just him. Florentino (whom we love and no one is greater) and JAS let him and us down when they didn't reinforce with loans. We don't know why they are being so rigid with their spending but that significantly impacted our ability to create when we all know Carlo's biggest weakness is time management for young players.

    In the end so grateful for Carlo and his impact wasn't merely the titles.. he begot Zidane and now Xabi. We owe him everything
     
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  7. Raul-7

    Raul-7 Member+

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    Aug 17, 2006
    #5332 Raul-7, May 24, 2025
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    Damn, I've become an emotional simp today. Losing too many legends in one day is too much.

    :cry::cry::cry:

    I apologize for any harsh words aimed at Carlo; you will always be a legend and the best manager in Real Madrid's history regardless of all the criticism.
     
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  8. arcane

    arcane BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Aug 18, 2005
    Philippines
    Maybe we can give him the unofficial title of the 'godfather of the modern Real Madrid managers'.

    He surely is the model template.
     
  9. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    If I show you what he's won and how "long" it took him as a deal, you either take it with your eyes closed or you're a Barca fan.

    That's without the comments that he found a team in ruins when he took over and had to do a lot to bring everybody back together.
     
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  10. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
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    Carlos is not a master tactician. His style was about allowing players to become what they were on the field. He does not set systems or structures. His greatest assets are managing egos and creating a family atmosphere within the team. His easy going style will fit into the mentality of the Brazilian footballers.

    However, being the first foreign coach of the NT, there might be people in Brazil who wanted him to fail. As I mentioned earlier, he worked under Tanzi at Parma, Moggi at Juventus, Berlusconi at Milan, Abramovich at Chelsea, Al-Khelaifi at PSG, and Pérez at Real Madrid.

    Coaching under just one of those names could be enough to derail a career—but Ancelotti endured them all. Thrived, even.

    And just consider how long he’s been at it. When Ancelotti was on the bench at Parma in the mid-1990's, Arsène Wenger was still managing in Japan’s J-League. José Mourinho? He was Bobby Robson’s translator. That’s how far back his journey goes.
     
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  11. robertocarlos3

    robertocarlos3 Member+

    Jan 9, 2012
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    Thanks for all the title you brought Don Carlo!
    Good luck and god speed in Brazil!
     
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  12. Raul-7

    Raul-7 Member+

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  13. Hendrix22

    Hendrix22 Member+

    Feb 28, 2010
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    I don't understand why people get so offended when someone says that Carlo is not good at tactics. Its just the obvious truth. It doesn't mean he's a bad manager, far from it. He excels at other aspects of managing. Until some point, those aspects lead to winning, and they did for us. But there is a moment when you cross that point and the tactical deficiencies become too much of an issue for winning. Thats when its time for changing of the guard. Of course we will miss him often, the way we miss our ex. But that doesn't mean we didn't do the right decision, its just nostalgia.
     
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  14. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Tactics are worthless if you're not good at communicating them to the players and a lot of good tactical coaches are borderline autistic hence why they don't work out on teams with big players and personalities.

    Being able to figure out a quick, easy and reliable way to win is a tactic within itself.

    Bielsa could never do what he does on roster full of star players. At some point they'll straight up tell him to go f himself.
     
  15. Hendrix22

    Hendrix22 Member+

    Feb 28, 2010
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    Nobody said its a solution to bring an autistic tactician. Having a coach whose only good aspect is tactics is solving a problem by creating another. But its a fine balance, and right now we need more from the tactical department, which is why Xabi is a great choice. Carlo's quick, easy and reliable way to win was simply not there anymore.
     
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  16. hector_br

    hector_br Member+

    Feb 13, 2007
    Heh
     
  17. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    But you agree that a lot of tactical coaches are pretty damn autistic. Sarri, Bielsa, I'd include Nagelsmann, Tuchel and Guardiola in there.

    All people with a distinct lack of human connection to them.

    We should hold out until a ball is kicked before we give Xabi the honors and the credit.
     
  18. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
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    Carlos brought the best out of his players and kept everyone happy. That might be harder to do than coming up brilliant tactics. Sir Alex in my opinion was also not a tactic genius, but he just knew how to win.
     
  19. Aensensen

    Aensensen Member+

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    Jun 10, 2011
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    All those guys might be on the spectrum. But only Pep scratched his forehead and nose bloody on live TV.

    I don't know what my point is...
     
  20. Hendrix22

    Hendrix22 Member+

    Feb 28, 2010
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    I wasn't giving Xabi credit, I was talking about Carlo. But Xabi has shown tactical acumen at Leverkusen, so we have certain expectations in that department. At the same time he always seemed like a very normal human person, so he shouldn't be disconnected.

    But ultimately I would never accept or support players for not listening to a tactically great coach because he's "autistic".... Modern football in the tactical sense is off the charts so players acting like they already know everything or doing what they want and not following coach instructions is shameful.
     
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  21. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    How many top tier players have you spoken to?

    Taking that latest huge Manchester United article that The Athletic posted, multiple players striahg tup told the club Amorim's ideas don't work. I know multiple players spoke out about Tuchel at Bayern that his system doesn't work.


    Something i've said here in the past and people like Kroos confirm is, most players at that level know how they want to play. A lot of them feel they know just as much if not more than the coach.
     
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  22. Nathanial Essex

    Nathanial Essex Member+

    Real Madrid
    England
    Mar 19, 2017
    Time has come to move on. Lock the thread.
     
  23. Hendrix22

    Hendrix22 Member+

    Feb 28, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Honestly those players that act like they don't need a coach should gtfo of the club asap and become coaches themselves. There are more than a dozen top teams in Europe with great individual quality which is more or less the same. The difference between them and who wins is how well that individual quality is harnessed into the collective. If they think that a coach doesn't matter, look at Barcelona or Liverpool and then talk how tactical adjustments don't matter because all their players know what theyre doing.

    I have talked to a couple international level players and they are freaking dummies. Enough with the entitled primadonna shit. There is a hierarchy here, and acting like they are above it leads to failure. Shouldn't legitimize that with the oh well boys will be boys arguments. Xabi is a big enough name to put the players into place when needed.
     
  24. Zidane05

    Zidane05 Moderator
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    Jul 18, 2005
    Toronto
    Yes it has.

    Thank you Carlo for all the great memories, for all the come backs, for all the titles, for all the raised eyebrows... Best of luck in Brazil, we will be cheering for you!
     
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