Perfetto, the Return of Carletto! - Benvenuto Carlo Ancelotti

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  1. Xourtois

    Xourtois Member

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    Sep 25, 2024
    It is almost like a cult and it sure has no best interest of Real Madrid.

    If it was upto some of them they would have let Ancelotti continue even after the disasterclass of a season from tactical point of view. Every opposition coach toyed with Ancelotti this season.

    This is something they don't want to address. They want to Kang onto past success as if they will apply the same to Modric or Ramos. Nobody cares about past success. Your past 1 year counts in Madrid that is it.
     
  2. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    If our lack of success is all down to Ancelotti, what's stopping us from running it back with the same squad?

    You can't demand transfers and an overhaul of the entire defensive unit and then tell me it's the coach that couldn't make it work.

    Everybody thought the teams chances relied on us not dealing with injuries, we had two players have career altering injuries. Not black magic to figure that it would go downhill after that.

    Let's say both Vini and Mbappé blow their ACLs at the start of the season. How many goals do you think we're scoring? More, or less?
     
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  3. SayWhatIWant

    SayWhatIWant Member+

    Jan 10, 2015
    Can't stand some of the folk on here who will go through crazy mental gymnastics to drive their 2-bit msdos-level logic agenda
     
  4. natenate101

    natenate101 Moderator
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    Dec 16, 2006
    California, US
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    Exactly This. Well said. Salute to the legend and wish him well going forward.
     
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  5. Galatico

    Galatico Member+

    Real Madrid
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    Aug 15, 2019
    This is absolutely unhinged. Not everybody is gonna agree with you.
     
  6. AppleBob86

    AppleBob86 Member+

    Real Madrid
    Jan 11, 2018
    He's talking about a cult but only offers a one-sided argument himself (as some others do) LOL

    Bunch of hypocrites.
     
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  7. Umar

    Umar Member+

    Sep 13, 2005
    One step ahead
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    Strategy is a higher art than tactics.

    Carlo is a master at both, but focuses more on strategy.
     
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  8. hector_br

    hector_br Member+

    Feb 13, 2007
    If Xabi wins the CWC with this same core of players, some people here will probably have some hestiation marks to show for the rest of their lives.
     
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  9. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Our first three games are easy enough for a soft landing. No idea what happens after that.

    Some teams in that I can't even pronounce.


    To flip your argument, if Xabi drops 3 Ls and goes back home, is this on him? How would it be? Within 2 weeks of work?
     
  10. hector_br

    hector_br Member+

    Feb 13, 2007
    Speaking for myself, I never said Carlo was entirely at fault for the poor season. All parties (board, coach, and players) are to blame for our failures this year.

    If Xabi fails, I'd say it's everyone's fault again.
     
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  11. Galatico

    Galatico Member+

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    Aug 15, 2019
    I wouldn't be upset if we didn't win the CWC, mainly due to the insanity of this schedule. Fatigue will definitely play a role and the players need an extended break.
     
  12. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    I really don't even think about that right now.
     
  13. Galatico

    Galatico Member+

    Real Madrid
    United States
    Aug 15, 2019
    Yeah the whole "if you don't agree with me about Carlo then you don't have the clubs best interest at heart" nonsense is about as cultish as it gets lol
     
  14. Galatico

    Galatico Member+

    Real Madrid
    United States
    Aug 15, 2019
  15. Hendrix22

    Hendrix22 Member+

    Feb 28, 2010
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    So just select the best available eleven and tell each player which position he will be playing? Quite an easy job I must say. Pretty much nothing depends on you and its all a matter of injuries happening or not.

    Its like you're intentionally oblivious on how incoherent we look collectively on the pitch, outside of the individual quality of the players. I don't know how anyone can argue that a squad of such individual quality (looking at just attributes, transfer fees and resumes) simply cannot play better and what they showed under Carlo is in fact their maximum. Especially when lowly teams in which you can hardly name a player come out on the pitch and execute much better because they have structure and mutual understanding between the players.
     
  16. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    No, that's what you understood from that sentence.

    You seem to believe that Carlo doesn't understand how to coach, I don't agree. Why don't we leave it at that?
     
  17. Hendrix22

    Hendrix22 Member+

    Feb 28, 2010
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    Well I don't know what else "put the best product on the field" could mean. I believe that Carlo knows some aspects of management a lot more than everyone else, but is lacking in those aspects that we need more of right now.
     
  18. hector_br

    hector_br Member+

    Feb 13, 2007
    The cultist approach some take on this topic is quite weird.
     
  19. arcane

    arcane BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Aug 18, 2005
    Philippines
    And their Carlo Fanclub president was the first to respond to my post. Quite predictable followed by his minions.
     
  20. arcane

    arcane BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Aug 18, 2005
    Philippines
    It's part of their dumb programmed brain:

    We say: Carlo shares responsibility of the teams's failure along with the board and some players

    They process it in their lizard brains as: Carlo is the one at fault. That incompetent man!
     
  21. hector_br

    hector_br Member+

    Feb 13, 2007
    Hey, I am the president of Carlo's fanclub!

    I sincerely love the guy.

    I've been watching football for 30 years and analyzing the game for the past 20. Some things become pretty clear. It's obvious that Carlo has lost the locker room this time.

    It’s clear that the relaxed approach didn’t work with this group of players, as Arsenal covered almost twice as many kilometers as our team, among other things. We have the data to prove it. Madrid fell apart, just like in the 2015 season. At one point, we were about 7 points ahead of Barça, weren’t we?

    Carlo and Madrid were a perfect match. However, this Madrid team is quite special because it’s not packed with stars. Besides Mbappe, there are no galácticos. These players require discipline and a different approach than what Carlo typically provides.

    Carlo's instinct led him to play freakin' Alaba against Arsenal. He also gave Lucas and Rodrygo far too many chances. While he's not entirely responsible for our failures this season, he certainly played a significant role in them.

    With all that said, I simply adore Ancelotti. He's my father's favorite coach. My father simply does not agree with everything I wrote above, lol.
     
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  22. arcane

    arcane BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Aug 18, 2005
    Philippines
    They wont believe us about Carlo tho.

    Its either youre all in simp mode or all in hater. Thats how much of an extremist view they have.

    Ask them how much the board has failed the coach, they could fill up an entire notebook.

    Ask them what are the deficiencies and accountabilities of Carlo this season, they will be able to barely fillup the back of a postage stamp.
     
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  23. saadomar

    saadomar Member+

    Real Madrid
    Mar 21, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    The black and white stance that people are taking on this really has me taken aback.

    "You cannot be critical of Carlo's handling of the team this season without being a Carlo hater."

    "You cannot be a Carlo supporter without being unquestioningly loyal to him and calling the others amnesiacs and legacy vilifying haters".

    Some people would rather just resort to immature insults and name calling than have a valid discussion.

    My respect to the people who keep to a civilized discussion and debate. I prefer this because we all want the same thing, the team to be successful. We just have different opinions on how to approach that.
     
  24. temesgen

    temesgen Member+

    Jun 27, 2004
    Soccer aside, I think it's amazing that you get to watch and talk about the game with your dad. We won't have them forever and we need to spend as much time with our parents as we can, especially if there's a friendship there. My daughter leaves for college in a year and I am starting to wake up some times and can't stop thinking about what my life will be like without her there, the questions, the hugs, the disagreements, I'd give all the money in the world to go back and do the past 16 years again.
     
  25. Aensensen

    Aensensen Member+

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    Jun 10, 2011
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #5175 Aensensen, May 14, 2025
    Last edited: May 14, 2025
    There's a culture of wanting to dunk on people amongst sports fans. Some people just want to be able to say "I told you so". Some people gamble with their takes for a chance at a fat ROI, some play it safe. Ultimately it creates an environment for heated discussion... Then, you combine that with just an incredible propensity for kneejerking and you can run into the most delusional takes you'll ever see.

    I try not to take it very seriously most of the time.

    I consider Carlo a great coach who truly belongs on our legends list. This year was objectively very bad. despite Carlo's inability to make this imbalanced squad click properly, he still loves the club and will in all likeliness think back very fondly on his time with RM. Most fans will too. I agree that he lost the dressing room and it was time for him to go. Simple as.
     
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