Perfetto, the Return of Carletto! - Benvenuto Carlo Ancelotti

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  1. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    I think Brazil will do just fine for now.
     
  2. saadomar

    saadomar Member+

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    Florentino wanted Xabi. Carlo wanted the Brazil job. I wish they parted ways last summer and had gotten it over with. But winning the double and Alonso deciding to stay another year prolonged it. It's like when a married couple know they're gonna divorce but hang on until after their child's birthday to announce they're breaking up.
     
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  3. 4x4s

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    I don't think Alonso would have stayed if the job opportunity would have presented itself last season.
     
  4. saadomar

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    #5129 saadomar, May 13, 2025
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    Florentino just didn't wanna be the president who replaced a double winning coach with a relative newcomer. He needed an excuse, so he ensured Carlo would fail without any support. Now he got what he wanted. So if Xabi Alonso fails, it will all be on his head.

    I know some of you think we're naiive, but we know what happened. We just didn't like how it all shook out. Florentino doesn't get a pass, neither does Ancelotti.

    If I wanted a manager for a champions league final, 10 out of 10 times, I would pick Ancelotti to be that person over anybody else. No idea what happened with that Liverpool-AC Milan bottlejob, but he has a 100% win record for UCL finals for Real Madrid. Everyone here REVERES Carlo Ancelotti.
     
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  5. Hendrix22

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    Okay I will play along. What is the coach there for, and what has Ancelotti done out of that and what hasnt?
     
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  6. Forcamadrid2

    Forcamadrid2 Member

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    Dec 13, 2017
    Lets play this game.

    How about penalties won.
    How about "should have been assist"
    How about key passes resulting in goal.
    How about key passes that ended in nothing


    Maybe we should just watch the matches and use the eye test. But some people are so blinded by some stupid hate, that they cannot see.


    Edit. Meant this for the VJ thread. No idea how it ended up here.
     
  7. -Reivax-

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    One of the best coaches in football history, a Real Madrid legend and a very classy guy. He deserves a beautiful send-off.

    It’s the right time to say goodbye, through. Probably a season too late. Time for something new. Gracias Carletto!

    I hope he does well at Brazil.
     
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  8. temesgen

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    Jun 27, 2004
    Xabi wouldn't have lasted this season with this squad so perhaps it's for the best.
     
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  9. Galatico

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    Yeah Carlo haters are a loud minority on here. He definitely get's more love and appreciation.
     
  10. YOUNGSTARS87

    YOUNGSTARS87 Yellow C@rd Bandit

    Dec 21, 2005
    Meh Carlo has been trashed including by the guy you are quoting.

    Same stuff happens every time. They trash the manager and when he leaves they forget all they have said and pretend they have supported him with their entire being.

    Same will happen with Xabi.

    Go back and check the threads at the end of last season. The same ones laughing at barca saying they can't compete financially, will never win again, etc.... those are the same hyperbolic morons who trashed the winningest coach in our history and are the same ones who will pretend all that never happened.

    Oh and they hate when people like me remind them
     
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  11. saadomar

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    #5136 saadomar, May 13, 2025
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    Honestly dgaf. I find it easier to not even engage you since you seem the type to get their rocks off attacking people rather than having a decent argument.
     
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  12. arcane

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    I'm just amazed by the stupidity of these so called Carlo d!ckr!@ers.

    All they know is it's either you are a 100% Carlo or 100% basher. Such narrowminded perspectives.

    Once you say some harsh criticism towards Carlo, you are automatically labeled as a Carlo hater. No analysis needed.

    Like a mindless mob.
     
  13. 4x4s

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    You can say he's a great coach that couldn't overcome the shortcomings of the squad without saying he "doesn't understand tactics" or that he "just throws the ball on the field and tells them to play".

    Put the best product on the field based on what he is provided with. That's all it boils down to.
     
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  14. Excape Goat

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    I always say this about Carlos: look at the people he worked under during his coaching career — Moggi at Juventus, Berlusconi at Milan, Abramovich at Chelsea, Al-Khelaifi at PSG, and Pérez at Real Madrid. That’s a list of some of the most powerful and demanding figures in football. No coach can work with so many of them.

    Even Bayern Munich was a tough place, but I didn't even include Rummenigge or Hoeness on that list. And while I don’t know much about Tanzi from Parma, anyone involved in that many financial crimes must have been hard to deal with too.

    Now he’s taking on Brazil — yes, it will be a tough job. But he can handle it.
     
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  15. saadomar

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    Surely Lord Vazquez isn't the best product available when Valverde at 50% will do a better job than him.
     
  16. 4x4s

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    Great, so the answer is to take our best midfield player and turn him into an average fullback defender, correct?

    By now we know for a fact that the club sees the need to strengthen that position because they are getting the most expensive player on the market to do so. That doesn't tell us they see a bit of an improvement needed, they see a complete overhaul being necessary.
     
  17. saadomar

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    If your weakest link is your defender who concedes 8 goals in 4 clasicos, ******** yes. Is that really a question?
     
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  18. 4x4s

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    Who do you line up in the rest of the positions in defense?

    The team lined up with its backup RB (yes, the club did nothing to strengthen the position and designated Vazquez as enough), a midfield player in CB, a guy that was playing regional football 3 months ago, and our backup LB.

    Valverde is pretty bad against the run, and at the 1 vs 1 (Fermin looked like prime Dinho against him), but his awareness comes through against slow teams like Atleti when he can intercept the ball when it's played laterally.

    If you look at games where Valverde performed well as a fullback, he's usually cutting the pass off than beating the run.
     
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  19. saadomar

    saadomar Member+

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    Then we also know that Florentino wasn't going to spend on anybody else since he was set on settling on Trent. This is like when Haaland would've been an option but Florentino tunnel visioned Mbappe. In hindsight, is it stupid? Yes. Is it consistent? Also, yes.

    Carlo had to do the best with what was available to him. And Lucas Vazquez is surely not the best RB available, when a converted midfielder does a better job. Real Madrid plays DRAMATICALLY better when he is not on the field. Why did it take him until the 2nd half of a clasico CdR final to see that?

    Real Madrid has enough midfielders to compensate for moving Valverde to RB. Real could not cope with Vazquez putting the team automatically 2 goals down by being on the field.

    If it was sporadic, he could be excused. But it was a pattern and he willingly ignored it.
     
  20. 4x4s

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    So you agree that the club knew we had multiple weaknesses and pretty much did nothing about them. Why are we going in circles? I already told you that it's not the coaches job to fix the mistakes his employer makes.

    We're apparently looking to spend hundreds on millions on defenders, but somehow what we had was good enough to compete? Doesn't make sense to me.
     
  21. saadomar

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    #5146 saadomar, May 14, 2025
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    I already established that Florentino wanted an excuse to get Carlo out in addition to not wanting to spend until he got his desired coach. Plain and simple. He was waiting for Carlo to sabotage himself, and all he had to do is do nothing. Every team has injuries. Carlo could have helped himself, even if a little, by not fielding LV and Rodrygo. But he didn't. He stuck with them despite them being absolutely worthless this season. Can we agree on that?

    He also didn't trust Asensio, Brahim and Guler in the big games, then would turn around and give them 1 or 2 games to prove themselves, then bench them even if they did well. He even brought back an ill prepared Alaba as LB in a huge game, a position he had not played in almost 2 years.

    He refused to settle on a permanent penalty taker so he wouldnt bruise any egos, and the result was multiple missed penalties this season. Same with set piece takers. He would rather have Jude Bellingham run from box to box all game while Vini and Mbappe walk, and top it off with an ineffective Rodrygo. No wonder Jude looked completely gassed and checked out by the end of the season! Bro was outworking all these overpaid primadonnas and was sacrificing the most.
     
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  22. 4x4s

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    Do these really move the needle enough to win this team any trophies this year?

    This is what it really comes down to me. Did he leave an option on the table that would give the team a path to a title? I would say no.

    If Castilla players would be the answer to make this team win titles, the club would be eager to spend hundreds of millions on defenders instead.
     
  23. saadomar

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    #5148 saadomar, May 14, 2025
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    I guess we will never know since Ancelotti wouldn't even give them a chance. Bro threw on Victor Muñoz as a last gasp, same with Jacobo and Asensio.

    Barca is playing with plenty of academy players and less than half of the purchasing power of Real Madrid. All they did was change a coach who had a plan to play to their strengths and they are flying. Madrid had no direction. Just throw everything against the wall and see what sticks. Carlo's plan was effectively "Hopefully Vini or Mbappe can come up with a moment of brilliance and then hang on for dear life".

    90% of the teams Madrid lost to had inferior squads to them. Let's not give Carlo a 100% free pass as a victim. Freakin Arsenal with all their injuries demolished Real Madrid.


    If today Gordon Ramsey served me the best Beef Wellington he ever made, I would praise him to the high heavens. If he then fed me dog poop tomorrow, I wouldn't smile and applaud him because he's the famous chef who fed me the best food. I would be pissed and confront him.
     
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  24. 4x4s

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    Guess what, depending on what he's got in the kitchen, that's what you're going to eat eventually.

    He's not going to turn rocks and sand into broccoli and mustard vinegar dressing.
     
  25. temesgen

    temesgen Member+

    Jun 27, 2004
    Repeat after me everybody; CA is leaving Real Madrid with a legacy of winning at a level nobody else come close to replicating. That said, it's time and while we'll remember him fondly. We're excited to see what a new coach can do with squad.
     
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