Perfetto, the Return of Carletto! - Benvenuto Carlo Ancelotti

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  1. Seoul Villan

    Seoul Villan Member+

    Feb 16, 2011
    Since the miracle CL run of 21/22 our football strategy was vibes, remontada, Santiago Bernabeau Voodoo, individual moments of heroism.

    Fun as hell to watch and come out winners, but it’s really not sustainable. Amazing we were able to get 2 CLs and a Liga.
     
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  2. saadomar

    saadomar Member+

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    Mar 21, 2013
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    Truly repulsive.
     
  3. saadomar

    saadomar Member+

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    https://www.managingmadrid.com/2025...real-madrid-and-i-never-will-press-conference

    Love ya Don Carletto. We will surely miss this guy and remember everything fondly. What a legend. We got to live through it, and it was a privilege as a fan.
     
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  4. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    This is just narrative stuff.

    That's why i like @Hendrix22 even when i disagree with him a lot. He knows ball.

    You don't win this much on vibes. Maybe you just can't tell the difference.
     
  5. Seoul Villan

    Seoul Villan Member+

    Feb 16, 2011
    I guess it was a tactical masterclass that won our CL in 21/22?

    Seriously, I think you need to go back and re watch some of those matches.

    Kroos and Modric were absolutely dogshit. Until we threw Camavinga and Rodrygo on and chaos football insued, we looked completely toothless.
     
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  6. 4x4s

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    Last season Real Madrid was one of the teams closing the strongest in Europe. The final 20 to 15 minutes we conceded the least goals and scored the most. When you do this consistently over one or even two seasons, it's part of your team profile, you're physically strong and close strong.

    Leverkusen who overpowered teams in the finish had the same profile, scored most of their goals in the final 20 minutes and conceded the least there.

    Guess what happened to both teams? They paid the price for the high pace, long distance football for completely collapsing in the end of games, with both teams experiencing an early peak around the 35-60th minute and then slowly collapsing, to where they scored the majority of their goals in the middle of the game, their least in the finish, and conceded the most in the part of the game where they used to dominate.

    People take that and think we're "parking the bus" but when you park the bus, you make the change to facilitate it, you take out multiple attacking players and sub in defenders. We didn't do that, we just gassed out and collapsed in the finish, paying the price for our endurance runner style and the lack of depth after losing multiple players that provided it.

    When your style is based on outlasting teams, you need to refresh the team often in the summer. We didn't do that, and arguably Carlo couldn't change the style of the team to a slower tempo to accomodate for a tired shallow roster.
     
  7. hector_br

    hector_br Member+

    Feb 13, 2007
    We dominated the last La Liga season, but claiming we won the last two UCL titles through anything other than heroism is simply foolish. Sorry, Positive Pussies.
     
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  8. saadomar

    saadomar Member+

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    Mar 21, 2013
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    Klopp for Slot.

    Xavi for Flick.

    Two managerial changes last summer and they took the nearly same exact team to glory this season.

    I don't see why so many are doubtful that Xabi Alonso can be as successful when Ancelotti leaves.
     
  9. fierro

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    Jan 30, 2007
    El Chuco
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    #5109 fierro, May 13, 2025
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    It really was, almost as if some people didn't watcht the games. Who could forget Carlo coming up with that scheme where Fed played as a RF in attack and a RM in defense. That season was also alot about Carlo getting the young guns Vini, Fed, Rodrygo, Camavinga and Militao, etc., to make/take the next step up in their careers, step up to the challenge of becoming bonafide champions.




    It's obvious that managers should be fired everyone season and new one's hired everyseason. That way you avoid "the problem" altogther, whatever they are, because a new manager always solves them.
     
  10. Seoul Villan

    Seoul Villan Member+

    Feb 16, 2011
    knew you’d bring up Leverkusen, so I’m going to ask - did Bayer have the same quality in players as Real Madrid? I mean, a club that was near relegation and had never won anything is on the same level at RM?? right?

    it makes sense for a club like Bayer who’s punching above their weight to do tactics like that to win.

    For the quality of players we have, if we didn’t have the depth to do that marathon run you are saying. Why the hell did we defend so deep and then roll the dice with the kitchen sink offense? Seems like we should have been going to the roulette table with the streak of luck we were on.
     
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  11. Hendrix22

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    Feb 28, 2010
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    So you answered your own question. If our style is based on outlasting teams and we can't refresh the team in the summer, AND the coach is not capable of changing the style of the team (tactics is simply not Carlo's forte), why are you so troubled by the idea of bringing in someone who can do that, and with the change itself increase the odds that we will refresh the team (by bringing in new faces)?
     
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  12. boeder

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    Feb 27, 2013
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    This has been crystal clear for 3 seasons even when the seniors did the heavy lifting, Vini was the best player in the world and Tibo went into god mode. The symptoms have always been there.

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  13. saadomar

    saadomar Member+

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    Yes, because that's what Real Madrid have been doing every season right? Get over yourself dude. Carlo lost the plot IN ADDITION to not getting any help. Carlo did himself no favors. I'm not gonna get into it because it has already been discussed here to death. Accept it and move on.
     
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  14. fierro

    fierro Member+

    Jan 30, 2007
    El Chuco
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    IF there were "complaints from the dressing room" and "players were amazed at the lack work" it has to a be a new player who is unfamiliar with the Ancelotti approach and it has to be a player with enough credibility and career stability to criticize a GOAT manager and survive the backlash.

    It has to be Mbappe. He probably sees Brazil and Vinicius as his main obstacles to winning the next WC and BdO, but by undermining Carlo he begins the psychological warfare and undoes some of the tremendous progress Vini and Carlo made while working together.

    Absolutely disgusting.
     
  15. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Funny, but us positive pussies is the closest a lot of people here will get to one.

    The coach is not there to fix the problems the club is creating. I know that this is hard to understand from a Real Madrid perspective beause unfortunatelly this club has done nothing but create problems for itself in the past 12 months.

    There is no coach that will constantly change the way his team plays to the same level of success. Guardiola did it this season, then spent some money on top, and the team still failed.

    That's what this discussion is lacking, perspective. Slot took over from Klopp and improved the team without any serious reinforcements but it's always Klopp that's being mentioned, the guy that manuevered himself out of the job. I wonder why.
     
  16. saadomar

    saadomar Member+

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    Lol this is some next level mental gymnastics to blame Mbappe
     
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  17. 4x4s

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    Wonderful, then anything but a Xabi CL & League double should be considered a massive failure, right? After all, those players proved they can win it without any coaching whatsever, so guided by the football magician a triplete might finally be in play, no?
     
  18. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Replace the name with Carlo and its very close to what a lot of people are doing.
     
  19. hector_br

    hector_br Member+

    Feb 13, 2007
    Booked your trip to Thailand already? HAHAHAHA
     
  20. hector_br

    hector_br Member+

    Feb 13, 2007
    Some people are now trying to pretend that us losing matches until the 80 something minute in the UCL was part of some tactical plan?
     
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  21. MerlinRM

    MerlinRM Member+

    May 5, 2014
    Georgia
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    The new leaks are probably from the club to offset criticism. Pretty corny to do so now.

    Anyone with eyes can see the team was unprepared.

    I don't care what anyone says, those rumors Bayern were organizing their own practices have some truth to them.
     
  22. boeder

    boeder Member+

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    Brazil
    Feb 27, 2013
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    Brazil
    Who's Xabi?
     
  23. boeder

    boeder Member+

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    Feb 27, 2013
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    Brazil
    LMFAO..you're a lost cause..too bad staff can't be put on the ignore list..
     
  24. .halamadrid2.

    .halamadrid2. Member+

    Nov 5, 2010
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    It's probably Tibu
     
  25. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    It's too bad you can't resist engaging in discussion with me then.
     

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