Perfetto, the Return of Carletto! - Benvenuto Carlo Ancelotti

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  1. Naz07

    Naz07 Member

    Aug 5, 2007
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    You’re barking up the wrong tree my friend. I haven’t excused anyone from anything and neither am I going to squarely place the blame on the manager alone. There’s enough blame to go around, surely most of us can agree on that.

    I’ll qualify my statement; IMO Carlo is not the right fit for this current squad as it is. However, if management’s idea (not mine or yours) is to continue with him, then we need to provide him with certain type of players to be successful. If not, then I believe a different manager can potentially utilise the existing personnel better. This is neither me excusing him nor attacking him, am stating it as I see it having watched his Milan (especially) and Chelsea sides.

    I am actually very conflicted about our next step. I’ll concede that a manager like Klopp, for example, who managed to build a formidable team, with the bang average duo of Henderson-Fabinho at the heart of it, would in theory be a better fit right now with the players we have. Conversely, I very much doubt Klopp would’ve achieved what Ancelotti has, against the odds, with last year’s squad (injuries and whatnot) or the 21-22 one for that matter. So I am on the fence with this one. What I won’t be doing though is insinuating that a coach who’s achieved so much and won the double just last year is some old tactically inept scrub. Not the right fit? Perhaps.

    Agree to disagree on this one.
     
  2. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    I said a proper 9, not a proper 4,9 ft player.

    Again, with Ancelotti, we're getting Ancelotti football, and the club holds on to Carlo because he defends the players and the club no matter whether he's put in the best position to succeed or not.

    I don't blame him for not changing at this point of his career, that responsibility is elsewhere.
     
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  3. Nir_O

    Nir_O BigSoccer Yellow Card

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    Mar 16, 2019
    Someone here truly believe we can turn this season and win La liga ? CL ?
     
  4. boeder

    boeder Member+

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    Feb 27, 2013
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    Wasn't referring to the Brazilian midget for your "proper #9"
     
  5. MerlinRM

    MerlinRM Member+

    May 5, 2014
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    I still think we have the players to compete until the end.

    I just don't see Carlo having the tactics or the courage to make the changes needed with this group of players.
     
  6. Nir_O

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    I kind of lost hope with Carlo. I think there is a time when you just need to understand that it’s does not work anymore, and it’s time to let go.
     
  7. Raul-7

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    Aug 17, 2006
    If we lose to Liverpool he should get the sack; no ifs, and or buts.
     
  8. Bear Crotch

    Bear Crotch Member+

    Jan 2, 2008
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    I'll let the board sack Carlo only if they coach the team and are in the dugout during games so the camera can pan to them when Mbappe has 18 shots no goals while Tchou turns the ball over and Militao opens his legs for Walter Pandiani to score this weekend.
     
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  9. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    I'm not going to play no runaround games. You know what's what. We signed a player that played most of his career on the left as a primary center option and didn't create any backup opportunity.
     
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  10. 4x4s

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    #2960 4x4s, Nov 7, 2024
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    Yes. These are good players and this is a good team. We're in crisis/a bit of bad form but if I wouldn't think this team can win I wouldn't be here.
     
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  11. arcane

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    Aug 18, 2005
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    It’s absurd to think this team won”t be able to compete for trophies. Carlo’s 2nd half seasons are usually better.

    Just expect to suffer a LOT.
     
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  12. benny_madridista

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    Nov 30, 2020
    For this season it is not.
     
  13. 4x4s

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    I think this is much closer to what i'd consider suffering as a fan.
     
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  14. Ssr9

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    yes.
     
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  15. Nir_O

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    #2965 Nir_O, Nov 7, 2024
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    When u compare Flick way of style to Carlo, u see Barca not settling on 1-0, 2-1, 2-0 only… u see them wants to score 4-5 goals at least. The same happened in BM.he won 8-2 Barca. That’s something Carlo never had. He will take 1-0 win with suffering as always. Team struggle to score in first Half’s, and wait for the 2nd. Always the same story.
    That’s good for us?

    by the way, I’m sure if Flick Was our manager this season. We would look much better
     
  16. boeder

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    Runaround games?

    I was referring to this:
     
  17. MerlinRM

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    May 5, 2014
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    The season is still early. Imo, I wouldn't be surprised if Barca falter.

    But Carlo's decision making and tactics have been horrible. I just don't see him making the changes or moves need to salvage even a Copa Del Rey at this point.

    He has been a successfully manager for decades so it feels wrong to even say this, but maybe football has become too evolved for his way of thinking.
     
  18. benny_madridista

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    Nov 30, 2020
    This optimism is unfounded, you just lost at home against the weakest Milan side in recent times and got battered by Barcelona by 4 goals at home.
     
  19. Aensensen

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    We really have to consider one thing. Carlo has always been who he is, and as such he has been winning titles in every league, in every competition, in every of the last 3 decades. He has always had criticisms but he has time and time again shown that he knows how to win, and with many different squads, in different eras and different systems. Just last season he's been the best coach in the world according to many people. Think about all that before wishing he's sacked, and consider which REAL alternatives are out there.

    If I'm looking for where the problem is, he's not at the top of my list.

    Just my two cents.
     
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  20. Deep Pal

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    Jun 19, 2013
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    Part of Carlo's problem is him being a yes man, it sets him up for failure and somehow he manages to win with unbalanced squads and the board gets encouraged even more not to address gaping holes.
     
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  21. 4x4s

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    Those are two different discussions.
     
  22. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Carlo Ancelotti needs a single trophy to be the most accomplished Real Madrid coach in the history of the club.

    It's absolutely nuts if you put that into perspective with what is being posted here. If his successor wins half as many trophies he can be considered a success.
     
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  23. J-Mezzy

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    Oct 14, 2013
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    I guess he is lucky because apparently he is clueless and a dinosaur
     
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  24. Ahmadi8

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    He's not perfect as much as his defenders want to claim.
     
  25. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

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    Oct 14, 2013
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    Nobody said he is perfect

    but the way some of his “attackers” make it seem, he is an useless old hag that knows nothing and anyone but him will be good.
     
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