Perfetto, the Return of Carletto! - Benvenuto Carlo Ancelotti

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  1. LaCule

    LaCule Member

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    Aug 14, 2024
    The most to blame for this situation is Perez, although most of you protect him. Everybody was caught in a position they were not supposed to be, because of his Mbappe vision that didn't work out when it was much needed but he wanted to push it regardless when it was not necessary, either because he doesn't accept defeat or because he didn't know it would affect the team on such a scale. I think it's the first.
     
  2. Halycon

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    :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: where were you guys last 5/6 years when we were winning CL’s for fun? Now they won some games and all of a sudden come here preaching how it’s supposed to be going :cry::cry:
     
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  3. Zidane05

    Zidane05 Moderator
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    Jul 18, 2005
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    Look at the second goal. Everyone blamed Tchouameni, who gave a lazy pass and then didn't track back. Fine. On the pass, Vini made no effort to try to get to the ball, and instead of pressuring Leao, stood and complained about the pass. Modric was tracking Morata, and just let him go, he's nowhere around the box when the ball went to Morata. Lucas stood flat footed off the rebound.

    Is this the players checked out? Are they tired from the effort they have to put in every match? Is it the lack of structure/system and frustration with that? Probably a combination of all 3.
     
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  4. Ssr9

    Ssr9 Member+

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    Probably all 3 like you said.

    In my opinion if Carlo stays:

    1. Go back to last season’s diamond with Vini/Rodrygo and Jude behind them. Put Jude in a position to score. Mbappe on the bench until he’s better and let the 3 compete for 2 spots. No untouchables right now.

    2. Pick midfield based on form. Cama takes the keys from Tchou + Arda gets a run instead of Modric (Cama - Fede - Arda - Jude).

    3. Give Fran a proper run instead of mendy: get a proper competition going.

    I do think the players are frustrated with the endless tweaking every match. Time to go back to basics.

    In the winter, sign a CB and RB even if it’s a loan.
     
  5. YOUNGSTARS87

    YOUNGSTARS87 Yellow C@rd Bandit

    Dec 21, 2005
    Well Ancelotti caved to the people clamoring for us to play like last season when every time we have tried that this year we have been battered.

    He forces a retirement Modric into the side with a poor Tchouameni (who apparently has been struggling with injury) and we expected what exactly?

    The bigger shock is why are we shocked when he just set us up for failure.

    The best we have looked this season is with a trident
    The best we have looked this season is with Camavinga on the pitch
    The best we have looked this season is Fede playing through the middle

    But hey let's ignore all that so we can force Modric into the team and so we can play a formation most people complained about last season which we had to play to be able to accommodate not having a striker and needing to fit our four midfielders.

    It's stupid. I'm sorry.

    It also plays to the fact that Carlo panics and goes with what is safe. The problem is that tends to be what is wrong
     
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  6. robertocarlos3

    robertocarlos3 Member+

    Jan 9, 2012
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    Mbappe on the bench is never going to happen.
    Carlo making a right formation decision is also not going to happen.
     
  7. Naz07

    Naz07 Member

    Aug 5, 2007
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    Even though I wasn’t a fan, I wouldn’t have an issue with reverting to last year’s formation provided you have a Kroos type of player. I don’t think a diamond works without a regista/tempo setter type of player and that’s been the case atleast with Carlo whenever he implemented it (Pirlo, Ballack, Kroos).

    Honestly I don’t think the squad we have is very Ancelotti-friendly, tactically speaking, and I think it’s part of the reason he’s struggling to find solutions. So either give the man the tools he needs, or get someone who can use the existing ones better.
     
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  8. boeder

    boeder Member+

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    Feb 27, 2013
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    #2933 boeder, Nov 6, 2024
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    Ancelotti-friendly players? Bro you realize on paper we have one of the top 3 squads in Europe, yeah?

    He's been saying he doesn't need players for 3 straight years. Maybe he should grow a pair and make some demands considering his title winning records instead of playing Jude and Fede at RB to cover for Vasquez's pathological ineptitudes. And what ever happened to the "simple" solution that he was going to find for our defense in 22/23?

    The guys are lazy and limp as a 74 year old's dick and Carlo claims it's a good thing. No team ran less than us during the same-time UCL games yesterday.

    If he can't find solutions in a squad with Vini, Mbappe, Bellingham, Camavinga, Fede, Endrick, Güler, Rüdiger then maybe he's not the right man for the job.

    Fvck me, the excuses you come up for this man..
     
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  9. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Wed don't have a single natural 9 on the roster.

    Not a single natural right winger on the roster.

    Only one single RB on the roster that is 40 years old and currently injured.

    2 natural CBs, and two practically retired ones.

    This is a roster full of quality and flaws. The swiss cheese of football squads.

    It's a roster that doubles down on good players that already have adequate depth available.
     
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  10. boeder

    boeder Member+

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    Feb 27, 2013
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    Modric

     
  11. fierro

    fierro Member+

    Jan 30, 2007
    El Chuco
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    People are completely oblivious to some of Carlo's soft skills, his people skills, which are invaluable when dealing with monstrous egos like those of Florentino, Galacticos, etc.

    They think a manager needs to speak technical terms and a defined system of X's and O's.




    That's exactly the type of thing Florentino is known to do. Do you not remember how it went down with Carlo the last time, when Bale and his agent starting making their pitch to the Presi himself.




    The team didn't "need" players but lost Benzema, Kroos, Nacho and Joselu (all important players) without really bringing in anyone that is a like for like replacement in terms of skills, position, etc.

    Carlo got a second chance because Flo knew he would reliably defend the institution and not start throwing games and people under the bus like Mourinho did to get his way.
     
  12. boeder

    boeder Member+

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    Feb 27, 2013
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    Demanding players in critical areas considering age/injuries/thin roster is not throwing Perez under the bus. It's being a giant puss. If anyone has credibility and authority to get the players he needs (and deserves) it's Carlo. Now, that cannot be used an excuse to defend the staff like Alfredo Matilla has been doing since last night.

    Management fvcked up, so did Carlo.

    Also whatever happened to Endrick and Güler?
     
  13. 4x4s

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    They are teenagers sucking their thumb.
     
  14. Ahmadi8

    Ahmadi8 Member+

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    I'd try a 343 or 352. Right now our fullbacks are a waste. Mendy can play as part of a 3.
     
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  15. boeder

    boeder Member+

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    Feb 27, 2013
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    Really? So is Lamine Yamal. Bro probably remembers the taste of his mother's milk but fvcked us up a few days ago nonetheless.

    Weird, because Güler and Endrick have done well whenever given the chance.

    Seems to you like no one on the squad is good enough to play for Madrid right now and no one is good enough on the outside to be recruited. Football is going to hell yo.
     
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  16. fierro

    fierro Member+

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    I think it should be tried but we are too thin at FB for 2 starting players and too thin at CB for 3 starting players. Carlo getting the no vaseline treatment.
     
  17. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    He's much, much better than them. Right now at least.

    Really? This place makes fun of players like Pedri and he came to the house of Kroos and pulled our pants down.

    We don't sign players because "there's no value on the market", several people here knew the defense has holes but sure, a team that packed up 7 goals in two games just lacks two featherweight attacking players to make the difference there.
     
  18. AppleBob86

    AppleBob86 Member+

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    Jan 11, 2018
    Disagree. He's no better than Guler. Just Guler isn't getting a look in right now.

    We've seen Guler light it up and carry Turkey during international games.
     
  19. boeder

    boeder Member+

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    Feb 27, 2013
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    Just that? Ok. Wow.
     
  20. boeder

    boeder Member+

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    Feb 27, 2013
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    Perhaps because he got a chance under Xavi while Endrick and Güler are getting fat zeros in their playing time?
     
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  21. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Carry Turkey to where? Yamal won the Euro and was absolutely brutal while Guler missed a game due to injury concerns.

    This is why I said, right now. There is no shadow of a doubt who is the better player right now.
     
  22. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    In hindsight, this isn't anything but grasping at straws. It's always the guy that's not playing that's the answer. The solution is always on the bench
     
  23. Akramzizou

    Akramzizou Member+

    Feb 13, 2006
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    If Yamal was here be would in Juvenil A. We don't trust our youngsters and we will never figure out their potential that way. That's not to say they are the solution, but it's shocking with all the injuries and lack of form, plus the back to back games Endrick and Guler get 0 min.
     
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  24. AppleBob86

    AppleBob86 Member+

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    Jan 11, 2018
    Turkeys best placed finish in years. Yamal also had better players surrounding him, let's not jump to far ahead.

    Yamal is great but his season last year was bordering over hype just because of his age.

    "Güler has scored six goals, compared to the five goals scored by the Barcelona forward Yamal. The intriguing aspect of this comparison is that Güler, despite being a midfielder, has outscored Yamal, who plays as a forward.

    What makes this statistic even more compelling is the difference in their playing time. Yamal has achieved his five goals in 2133 minutes, whereas Güler has managed his six goals in just 373 minutes."
     
  25. boeder

    boeder Member+

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    Feb 27, 2013
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    Brazil
    That's exactly what im NOT saying. We have a deep rooted systemic problem that was disguised by Vini/Bellingham/Tibo pulling rabbits out of their butts last season.

    But hang on, weren't you just moaning about not having a proper #9?
     
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