Perfetto, the Return of Carletto! - Benvenuto Carlo Ancelotti

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  1. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Real Madrid
    There's a version of events where Carlo knows it's grim but his experience with giving nothing in the media helps him enough to poke the air out of this balloon as good as possible in every single press conference.
     
  2. Halycon

    Halycon Member+

    Aug 24, 2010
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    Real Madrid
    Ahhh after some big losses now eyes have opened.

    The games against mediocre sides like Stuttgart, Dortmund and Leipzig said enough about Carlo. 99% coaches in the world would kill to have a squad like this. The talent we have in midfield and attack is insane.

    Only need to add some defenders, a coach with clear ideas, we have the quality and talent to dominate 99% of our games. And if you lose, at least you lost with dignity, not this chaotic pussy ass low block shit. Our players need to cover so much ground, once they are at the box of the opposition they are tired. We have to make the playing pitch smaller, quick ball recovery and quick to the oppositions box.
     
  3. white_raid2

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    Real Madrid
    May 9, 2023
    Talent in midfield? Maybe, but Camavinga is still not a finished product and his ceiling might not be that of Kroos or Modric, Tchouameni is in bad shape for how long now, and Valverde is a runner, not a passer. We do lack creativity there.
     
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  4. Halycon

    Halycon Member+

    Aug 24, 2010
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    Camavinga, Bellingham, Arda, Fede, we have enough creativity, not Modric level, but because our attackers can create we don’t need that level in midfield. Not using Arda with Vini and Mbappe is criminal. You need at least one player like him in your team. But Carlo thinks he is still 15.

    Tchouameni I will judge once he has a coach who tells him how to play. Looks clueless now, but has certain qualities. Everybody looks clueless.
     
  5. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Personally I don't see the squad playing with the intensity or energy that they should. There's a whole lot of ego going around and it shows.

    I've said this before, this is not a particularly endearing team, not because "omg they win so much so everybody hates them" but because you can see the kind of arrogance and entitlement that we weren't used to up until recently.

    I just don't see the same team spirit that we had, the Balon d'Or fiasco and the way the club and the players were constantly rotating around as a discussion point really showed to me what is going on here.

    I truly think that we might have some very unexpected departures from the player side in the summer. The players said they all want to be in Madrid and win together, but if they all want to be a superstar and play without self sacrifice, it will never work.
     
  6. RMrules

    RMrules Member+

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Aug 12, 2019
    this debacle makes me appreciate the 2024 UCL even more,Leipzig outplayed us in both games,City outplayed us ,Bayern could have beat us and Dormund shoudl have scored atleast 2 by halftime

    we really werent that good last season either but the team was together ,this mess is galactico 2.0
     
  7. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    And yet(!) reading this place you'd be convinced Madrid was ROBBED(!) and we had the number 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 best player on the planet, and we were done WRONG.

    At some point you guys will need to come into some kind of conclusion whether we're good or not.
     
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  8. Halycon

    Halycon Member+

    Aug 24, 2010
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    Real Madrid
    The intensity and energy is on the coach.

    You don’t want to run or press? There is the bench and i Don’t think this squad is full of spoiled brats. They seem to like each other, even outside of their work and want to fight and to work. They don’t need to be buddies, Ronaldo was only close with Marcelo and Pepe.
     
  9. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Bellingham is the same person he was during the Euro for England.

    As I said, the squad peaked early and the only thing they talked about was who amongst the was the best in the world. From that kind of view, our recent crash is good to bring them back to earth.
     
  10. Halycon

    Halycon Member+

    Aug 24, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    This squad didn’t peak at all, it’s far from its peak.

    There is still a lot of room to grow, even for players like Vini, Rodrygo, Cama etc who won multiple CL’s. But that’s the job of the coach to keep their feet on the ground, keep them developing. You have to make your demands as a coach to the players, you can’t accept this.

    But if the players disagree with the coach, which I think is the case, they will let him fall.

    I don’t think 1 player in our squad believes in this we have to suffer playing style, let’s give the ball to the opposition and play a low block playing style. We aren’t Granada. We don’t want to suffer, we want entertaining, attacking football. There are coaches in their 30’s who completely dominated Carlo tactically. His ideas, his style are done. Mourinho light.

    The CLs covered a lot of this. Let’s not forget Ancelotti’s love for casemiro, luka, kroos, valverde midfield. It took a 0-2 down AGG to play Cama and Rodrygo twice to turn the game around.

    And even to this day, Cama isn’t even an automatic starter, most gifted midfielder we have.
     
  11. Zidane05

    Zidane05 Moderator
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    Jul 18, 2005
    Toronto
    There is absolutely major blame on the players, that second half was not worthy of the shirt and the stadium they play in.

    Ultimately, it's 1. easier to fire a coach than 11 players, 2. for the entirety of the season, there has not been any clear strategy or vision for this team. It's total chaos on the pitch.
     
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  12. Zidane05

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    Jul 18, 2005
    Toronto
    Lets try an experiment. Go back to your team and formation from last year. Bench Mbappe for Saturday, play Jude as the false 9 in between Rodrygo and Vini and see how it goes? Absolutely nothing to lose here.
     
  13. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    We both know why this isn't happening though, and we both know Carlo is the coach that knows what we both know.

    There's coaches that are like a Ferrari, and coaches that are like a Bus. Carlo is reliable and always on time, but you don't have certain spikes like the one that you described. That's why he holds the job right now.

    I do feel like the squad is taking advantage of that a little bit.
     
  14. RaMaaa

    RaMaaa Member+

    Feb 3, 2013
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    It would be interesting to see Mbappe LW just for once, how he would perform there
     
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  15. Seoul Villan

    Seoul Villan Member+

    Feb 16, 2011
    Carlo is in a tough spot, we over performed in many ways last season with the intensity of defensive effort mixed with the counter attack. It wasn’t the best football we’ve seen but it somehow worked.

    now we’re being forced to play more open by adding Mbappe and that’s not Carlos tactics. Look back at all of his success and it was always hinged on a defensive effort first.

    I’m with 4x4 that the egos have taken over. Vinny is absolutely acting like a child this season, Jude is not far behind in that regard, and you have players like Modric, Fede and Tchoumeni going through the motions knowing that they will always be in the 11. Mbappe looks like a dude who is super talented that doesn’t train with the team but just shows up on match day.

    Carlo giving them the freedom to take days off and do whatever isn’t the right approach right now.

    The superstars aren’t cutting it. He’s has GOT to rotate some fresh energy in. The bench players come on and know that no matter what they do it’s back to the bench.

    A different manager would at least shake up the hierarchy and inject a little more discipline.

    we’re in a tailspin and the aren’t isn’t any way we pull out of it unless something changes. Either tactics, lineup, training intensity, voice (likely a combination of all of them)
     
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  16. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    By the way, I don't think we're in some apocalyptic crash out phase. But this is a very very necessary lesson for this team. Those beatings are educational, and that's my positive spin on it. I don't like to see the team lose, but this Milan loss was one, despite how much Carlo is trying, that can't be excused with "we both had chances and they scored", even he broke character and said we have issues.

    That's why this was necessary.
     
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  17. Halycon

    Halycon Member+

    Aug 24, 2010
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    This was already clear tho. Ancelotti can’t change us, he has one style and that’s it. It’s not like tomorrow we magically going to press high up, lines close to each other, running our asses of winning the ball back, quick one/two plays, triangle plays, no.

    That’s not Carlo style. That’s why he needs to go. He won’t fix, because he simply can’t.

    De fck I read last week? He wants to defend even more? Change the team, no change the style system. Even if you bench Mbappé and add another midfielder or defender, we are going to concede, suffer in offense.
     
  18. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    You don't hire a cook to fix your plumbing. If the club wanted different football they should have hired a different coach.

    We wouldn't hire somebody that plays all out press and then tell him "yes, but those four players will only do it occasionally, OK?"
     
  19. Zidane05

    Zidane05 Moderator
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    Jul 18, 2005
    Toronto
    Ultimately, the only feasible solution that he can implement is to abandon the press, sit back and hit on the counter. People are not going to like it, but pressing with this lot and this effort is not going to work. High press needs 11 players committed to it, they need to understand their role, anticipate, you need to have tight lines, you need to be able to play the offside trap to perfection. That will never happen under Carlo.
     
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  20. Seoul Villan

    Seoul Villan Member+

    Feb 16, 2011
    when we pressed for the first 15 minutes we looked good for the most part. We then got tired and Milan started quickly breaking the line and attacking LV on the wing. Mendy like he always does kept Leao onside for one breakaway and that corner was won when they scored changed the whole match.

    Thats lack of concentration on the build up to the corner and the corner itself.

    we’re making so many mental errors all across the pitch it’s impossible to see how this isn’t a deeper indicator of a problem.
     
  21. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    By the way, most coaches only have "one style", you can argue there's a bit of varying but when Xabi couldn't get a result he switched to kitchen sink and started crossing the ball into the center of the box from every single angle of the field just like we did in the good old days.
     
  22. arcane

    arcane Member+

    Aug 18, 2005
    Philippines
    I predict this style will come sooner than later. And fans will crucify Carlo if he goes out of the UCL playing like this.
     
  23. Halycon

    Halycon Member+

    Aug 24, 2010
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    Real Madrid
    I agree it will never happen under Carlo and that’s why he needs to go. Flick implemented his tactics in 2 months. Carlo hasn’t done in 3 years, so he won’t now.
     
  24. Halycon

    Halycon Member+

    Aug 24, 2010
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    Real Madrid
    Exactly his plan B is our plan A. And what is our plan B? Our plan A is ABCDEF
     
  25. Ssr9

    Ssr9 Member+

    Real Madrid
    Nov 10, 2008
    Sydney
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Mali
    Agree with this. Our young guys won everything early....there is a LOT of complacency in the squad at the moment...

    Winning a lot can do that. Hope this snaps everyone at the club out of the honeymoon phase. Florentino as well....have fill those gaps in the squad.

    Back to work.
     

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