Pele Trying To Revive Cosmos

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  1. soccerdad

    soccerdad Member

    Dec 27, 1998
    montclair nj
    They'll find field turf to be way superior to astoturf.
     
  2. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If they get a stadium befor the Metros, I am going to freak out
     
  3. soccerdad

    soccerdad Member

    Dec 27, 1998
    montclair nj
    Harrison would be a done deal by now for a team named Cosmos.
     
  4. soccerdad

    soccerdad Member

    Dec 27, 1998
    montclair nj
    Re: Re: Pele Trying To Revive Cosmos

    ...especially if fronted by Pele.
     
  5. eric d

    eric d Member

    Sep 9, 1998
    Sure it would.
     
  6. TWR

    TWR New Member

    Jan 18, 2000
    New York
    Here's an understatement for you. The rivarly between Metrostars and the Cosmos would be absolutely huge.

    Can you imagine how much die hard Metro supporters would despise the new Cosmos when/if they started up. I think it would be a given that they would get more media coverage. They would get more media coverage in one year, then Metro would have gotten in 10 years. Assuming a 2006 start up date. And who would want to bet that MLS would find a way and the $$$ to bring in a bigtime international player to give the Cosmos that old time 70s feel. Ronaldo anyone?

    I want to see that game already.

    April 4, 2006

    New York Cosmos
    at
    Metrostars
    7:30pm Giant Stadium/ East Rutherford, NJ (still)
     
  7. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
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    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm shocked -- SHOCKED -- that SoccerNova hasn't come out of the woodwork anywhere on BigSoccer yet.
     
  8. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What if Pele bought the metros and renamed them the Cosmos?
     
  9. Speedball

    Speedball Member

    Feb 27, 1999
    Harrison Stadium
    He doesn't own the name "Cosmos".
     
  10. Partizan_fc

    Partizan_fc New Member

    Dec 19, 2002
    New York City
    If the Cosmos are revived they will probably play in that Olympic Stadium thats being talked about on the Upper West Side.
     
  11. SoFla Metro

    SoFla Metro Member

    Jul 21, 2000
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    Anybody else want to play "Spot the Factual Errors" in that article?
     
  12. MJNES

    MJNES New Member

    Jul 8, 1999
    Cranford, NJ
    Doesn't Giorgio Chinalia(probably butchered the spelling) own the rights to the Cosmos name? He and Pele were teammates, so perhaps he'll be involved.

    Also, since the article mentioned that they approached AEG, that probably indicates they'd purchase the Metros and re-brand the team.

    But at this point talk is cheap. And until there is more information, this is just Pele musing about how great it would be for the Cosmos to be re-born.
     
  13. Sweeper

    Sweeper New Member

    Feb 11, 1999
    Actually, Pepe who coaches Ramapo owns the Cosmos moniker. He was responsable for bringing Pele over.
     
  14. THFCfan

    THFCfan New Member

    Sep 21, 2002
    Westchester, NY
    I think there is an agreement with the leauge and owners that they approve or own new teams in the same city. Nick S was talking about how they (the Metros) were scouting locations for a stadium for an expansion team.

    If/When New York gets an expansion team they should name it the Cosmos but it shouldn't be some NASL lovefest.
     
  15. Goodsport

    Goodsport Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 18, 1999
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    &nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp To watch the San Jose Earthquakes play the New York Cosmos again... ah, that would bring back memories! :cool:


    -G
     
  16. soccerfan

    soccerfan BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 13, 1999
    New Jersey
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Cosmos was a great team, so many superstars, they were popular drawing large number of fans, their average attendance was over 40 k. Having said all that, the only way i think Cosmos revival would be beneficial to MLS and US Soccer is by applying as an expansion team in MLS somewhere in the City (as the second NY team , or first as the Metros are in NJ. ).

    I am against any other form or gimmick with this.

    Reading the article I come away with the impression that Pele or whomever is behind this might be looking to have " The Cosmos" a team of older superstars or short term contracted players just to make a buck, play a few games against big name clubs during the summer months. God I hope i'm wrong.
     
  17. Shabs

    Shabs Member

    Jun 19, 2002
    NYC
    Why would Pele involve AEG then?
     
  18. Michael K.

    Michael K. Member

    Mar 3, 1999
    There or Thereabouts
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    AEG doesn't, last time I checked, hold rights to another MLS team in NYC.

    AEG certainly doesn't own the Cosmos name. That belongs to someone named Pepe Pinton, who apparently is happy to use it for his soccer camps, his $60 History of the NY Cosmos DVDs, etc. He can keep it.

    Most Brazilians I've talked soccer with are of the same opinion on Pele - fantastic player, a true legend, but he ought not to open his mouth, because little intelligent seems to come of it when he does.

    Look, among the million things that would ever allow this to happen, there's no stadium in NYC, and even Pele's name is not going to get you one built, not any more than my name is going to get one built, honestly. File this one under 'non-starter'.

    There are like 18 threads about this on Bigsoccer today....which is the dumbest damn thing I've ever seen.
     
  19. soccerfan

    soccerfan BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 13, 1999
    New Jersey
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    i like to second that,
     
  20. Stinkey Turner

    Dec 15, 2000


    Yah, well just make sure you don't forget to vote for Brian McBride. ;)
     
  21. Grone

    Grone New Member

    Dec 17, 1998
    i dont care who is trying to bring back the Cosmos whether its pele or whoever
    there cosmos where but they are no long around
    theres no more unlimited internationals no more unlimited spending
    its the MLS
    and to me there is only and should only be one team around METROSTARS
    let pele go try and start is viagra starting eleven allstars
    Cosmos where great back then and will always be remembered as a legendary team around the world
    why do we want to mess up that imagine and have them play in the mls
     
  22. bukie2k

    bukie2k Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    New Jersey
    I've said it before and I'll say it again: unless Franz, Bogie, Eski, Giorgio, etc. wake up 30 years younger tomorrow let the dead rest in peace.
     
  23. soccerdad

    soccerdad Member

    Dec 27, 1998
    montclair nj
    QUOTE]Originally posted by Shabs
    Why would Pele involve AEG then? [/QUOTE]

    Just conjecture, but here's why he might.

    Pele has a soccer enterprise, which is, among other things is sponsoring that "Peace" tournament in S Korea that includes the Galaxy this summer. Assuming that the enterprise wants to expand its soccer reach, the NY/NJ area is a logical place for him to explore. His name is synonymous with a highly valued and underutilized asset, the Cosmos.

    The current local side, the MetroStars (now there's a clever name, and what a roster!) has not had much impact in the region. In fact, they've never even won the very prestigious MLS Cup.

    The current owner/operator of the MetroStars owns half the league. He owns an entertainment company. He invested in the NJ franchise hoping to sucker NJ into building him an outdoor concert hall disguised as a soccer stadium. Without the stadium, he may be less compelled to hold on to the NJ team. His current landlord, Giants Stadium, competes against both his soccer and concert enterprises. It's not easy to win when competing with your landlord.

    If Pele wants to front a soccer entity in NY/NJ, the logical thing would be to approach MLS about the existing team. Why start from scratch? Rename it the Cosmos. Work with Pepe Pinton. If you prefer a SSS near your Brazilian countrymen in the Harrison/Newark area, lobby with the wealthier, influential local business owners and pols to get it approved. In fact, front the real estate consortium to develop the entire site. Then, ask your boss (you are their international spokesperson) for $60 million to build Pepsi Stadium. That is not a lot of money to Pepsi. In return, Pepsi could probably get approval and tax breaks for a facility (bottling plant, etc.) if they wanted.

    If MLS says no, and if the local second division side happens to get their SSS , Pele could have the inside track to a soccer relationship with Giants Stadium. They would be eager to speak with him. They would tell the MetroStars to not let the door hit them on the way out.

    Had the MetroStars made any sort of impact by now, there would be little talk of the Cosmos. The "18 Cosmos threads" are a reflection of the soccer void not filled by the MetroStars.

    Here comes "The Old Tradition."
     
  24. Bosch

    Bosch New Member

    Jan 31, 2003
    Montclair
    The Cosmos is now, and will be a name only. Much has changed since the Cosmos went defunct. We now have a salary cap to deal with. You can call them Cosmos, Metrostars or Pigfish it really does not matter.
    As for the Pepsi connection, I'm with you buddy but I think your behind the scenes ruminations are far beyond the scope of AEG and company.
     

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