Pelé all official games

only a few are good in any league lol, La Liga had like 3 really good teams, Serie A had like 3-4 too, all unbalanced, Paulista had 5 historical teams + Carioca too, same lvl as european leagues, which are UNBALANCED mostly, I can even show actual data to show that Paulista was more balanced than La Liga and mostly european leagues

 

Show me that data

 

Hey @Trachta10
You put wrong information here and in all your social media
This pic is from a tournment in buenos aires and not from libertadores 63
Probably 1965 or 1968(i believe 1968 - check the last image in the end of this reply)
In 1965 the tournment with Santos, Boca , River and Real Madrid - refused play with Santos
In 1968 the tournment with benfica , boca, river , Santos and nacional
Santos win both

https://web.archive.org/web/20201108025418/https://acervosantosfc.com/torneio-
quadrangular-de-buenos-aires-1965/



Check the trophy from buenos aires pentagonal below and in the pic you put in your post

https://patadasygambetas.blogosfera...santos-de-pele-foi-reverenciado-na-bombonera/




this trophy is similary as ramon carranza (spain) and the copa carranza (disputed in buenos aires 1966 and botafogo as champion)

 

We can attempt a speculative exercise on how these historical numbers translate to the current context. So, I asked Copilot what it would look like based on two criteria that have changed significantly (ball possession and goal averages).

I asked to compare him with modern players.



So, according to Copilot, Pelé would score fewer goals but provide more assists in modern football, maintaining a slight edge over Messi in terms of numbers.

 

Yeah, maybe you're right, it's just speculation. A player from the 60s would probably have a bit more difficulty scoring because goalkeepers and defensive systems are better now with a lower scoring average. But a playmaker, and Pelé was one of the greatest playmakers (record of six assists in the 1970 World Cup), might have an easier time getting assists in a football with more passing and fewer long punts (There was no tiki-taka in Pelé's era).

Your argument was counterintuitive, and you might be right. We'll never know how players from the past would adapt to the modern game; it's just a speculative exercise based on data from copilot IA.

 

As an aside, there wasn't tiki taka exactly, but there was 'push and run' football....

AI Overview


"Push and Run" is a revolutionary, fast-paced passing style developed by manager Arthur Rowe at Tottenham Hotspur in 1949. It involved quick, short passes followed by immediate movement to receive the ball back, which led to the club winning the Second Division and their first-ever First Division title in successive seasons (1950-51).
Key Aspects of "Push and Run"

• Origin: Devised by Arthur Rowe, who was inspired by Hungarian football and childhood street games.
• Method: A "one-two" or "give-and-go" tactic designed to move the ball quickly, utilizing fluid player movement.
• Success: Implemented in 1949, it led to winning the Second Division immediately and the First Division championship in the 1950-51 season.
• Philosophy: Rowe aimed for a blend of entertainment and effectiveness.
• Legacy: Pre-dated "Total Football" by two decades and influenced later, similar approaches to the game.

 

I don't think there's much footage of Rowe's Tottenham teams to see, but I guess here from 0:51 gives an idea about the style used (notice of course that the goalie still takes a long goal kick for example so this wasn't an extreme style as such, as it would be seen nowadays, I suppose):
Sports News - Tottenham Vs Cardiff (1952)

This one gives some idea of the continuation of that style under Bill Nicholsen (perhaps being slightly more mixed by that stage in general though) - the graphic for the formation uses an outdated/traditional template though - in reality I'd say 3-2-3-2 might be more realistic if anything which is the same as for Hungary's 1950s teams pretty much - Man Utd were I think using more like a true 4-2-4 even though, so similar to Brazil of the Pele times (Santos' system could be deemed pretty much 4-2-3-1 I think at times, with Pele in the middle of the 3 in effect)....
Spurs v Manchester Utd 16-10-1965

This one gives an idea re: how Santos played at their best as well as anything maybe, but I have noticed that even the Brazil national team of the late 50s (and Hungary even previously) did play some long balls out of defence, so I wouldn't say they used tiki taka or very similar, but a quicker and more direct style. yet with combination play along the grass as a big part of the attacking method at least still
Santos 5 x 1 Bahia - 27/12/1961 - Santos Campeão Brasileiro 61

As alternative to full WC1958 games, this is quite good to see Brazil of Pele's era in long-ish highlight form for example
1962.05.12. Brazil v Wales 3-1 (Highlights)

 

Basically, Sofascore adjusted Messi's rating to bring it closer to Pelé's, ignoring Messi's weaknesses (defensive contribution), narrowing the gaps (Pelé's 26 key passes vs. Messi's 16 were considered equal because it's 'harder' today), and boosting Messi's strengths (passing accuracy).

 

Advantage that contemporary players enjoy over those of the past (up to the nineties more or less) in terms of "baseline" passing/shooting accuracy, due to better environmental conditions - carpet-like pitches, much lighter and regular balls, computer-designed boots- cannot be overstated. Yesterday I was watching Atalanta vs. Bayern highlights: goals of the kind of the two Olise marked are not that uncommon today (even though of course Olise is uncommonly good at); in the eighties, almost no player would hit the ball with the inside of the foot from the medium distance (if not taking free kick, but in that case barrier would provide needed surprise factor), cause improved accuracy would have been offset by much decreased power (one exception that comes to mind: Socrates: he could achieve accuracy and power at the same time). Nowadays, you see many players doing that. Accuracy has become much less of an achievement.