Pelé all official games

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  1. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Pelé 1960

    42 Games (3640 minutes)
    38 Goals (1 Penalty, 8 Headers)
    20 Assists (Opta)
    14 Assists (Non-Opta)

    Per90:
    Goals: 0.940
    All Assists: 0.841

    Team Contribution: 66.76%

    The 14 Non Opta assists are:
    10 Penalties won
    1 Deflected pass
    1 FK won scored by a teammate
    1 GK rebound
    1 Post rebound

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  2. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Pelé 1959

    49 Games (4364 minutes)
    63 Goals (0 Penalties, 13 Headers)
    27 Assists (Opta)
    9 Assists (Non-Opta)

    Per90:
    Goals: 1.299
    All Assists: 0.742

    Team Contribution: 59.20%

    The 9 Non Opta assists are:
    7 Penalties won
    1 FK won
    1 Post Rebound

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  3. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Pelé 1962

    40 Games (3493 minutes)
    54 Goals (6 Penalties, 12 Headers)
    33 Assists (Opta)
    7 Assists (Non-Opta)

    Per90:
    Goals: 1.391
    Assists: 1.031

    Team Contribution: 68.71%

    The 7 Non Opta assists are:
    3 Penalties won
    3 GK Rebound
    1 Post Rebound

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  4. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Pelé 1957-1965

    Per90:
    Goals: 1.331
    Assists: 0.781

    Team Contribution: 64.78%

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    Assists:
    232 Direct Passes
    27 Penalties Won
    19 Free Kicks Won
    9 GK Rebounds
    6 Post Rebounds
    5 Deflected Passes
    3 Own Goal Assists

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  5. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    First 400 Games Stats
    Pelé-Messi-Cristiano

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  6. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Curious fact:
    Between 1957 and 1967 in 457 official matches, Pelé scored 19 free kicks...
    but, in additon, through fouls won, he also earned the impressive number of 24 free kicks and 30 penalties that were scored by his teammates!

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  7. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Pelé 1957-1969

    Per90:
    Goals: 1.179
    Assists: 0.736

    Team Contribution: 64.18%

    Assists:
    293 Direct Passes
    39 Penalties Won scored by teammates
    25 Free Kicks Won scored by teammates
    13 Deflected Passes/Shots
    11 GK Rebounds
    10 Post Rebounds
    7 Own Goal Assists

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  8. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    During the period from 1967 to 1969, Pelé seems to be the same player as always. The only difference is a different context. I believe he was undoubtedly a better player here than in his early years from 1957 to 1959 (as one would expect, what player is better at 18 than at 28?).

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  9. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    I suppose there are rare examples such as Michael Owen, possibly Ronaldo Nazario, and some others (I'm not thinking too deep about it as I post) but normally related to fitness/injury issues that have developed I suppose.

    I guess it could be suggested....the player that does this....

    (But we can't see whether actually that goal was better or worse than the impression we can get from that, and also better goals doesn't mean better player overall I understand of course)
    For one with actual footage there is this though, and clearly it seems he was regarded as a young sensation when he was playing in games with European teams, and he was apparently fouled a huge amount of times in Copa America 1959 (indicative of what he offered as a player)...but yeah it's hard to know of course and I understand that you calculated his involvement over 1957-1959 as a whole to be less than 1967-1969 as a whole (and in 1969 he probably has arguments again as world's best player for a while too I think).
     
  10. Tropeiro

    Tropeiro Member+

    Jun 1, 2018
    Raw numbers per 90 are probably as important as team contribution. That said I'm not sure Pelé was better 1967-1969 compared to 1957-1959, but perhaps yeah, it seems reasonable, what I know is that at that time he wasn't on 1961-1965 levels (his prime), that's for sure and in 1970 he was already on visible decline as physically is very related to what he can do technically and he was heavier of his feet than lets say 1963 or 1965.
     
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  11. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Pelé 1957-1974

    Per90:
    Goals: 0.985
    Assists: 0.633

    Team Contribution: 62.47%

    Assists:
    347 Direct Passes
    40 Penalties Won scored by teammates
    28 Free Kicks Won scored by teammates
    16 Deflected Passes/Shots
    14 GK Rebounds
    10 Post Rebounds
    7 Own Goal Assists

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  12. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Pelé 1957-1977 All Official Games

    Per90:
    Goals: 0.952
    Assists: 0.616

    Team Contribution: 60.68%

    756 Goals (85 Penalties, 44 Direct FKs, 1 Indirect FK, 98 Headers)
    366 Direct Passes (Opta Assists)

    Non-Opta Assists:
    42 Penalties Won scored by teammates
    28 Free Kicks Won scored by teammates
    17 Deflected Passes/Shots
    16 GK Rebounds
    10 Post Rebounds
    7 Own Goal Assists
    3 Second Shot Assist

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  13. spartacus7

    spartacus7 Member

    Jul 8, 2023
    Could it be because he played for a weaker Santos, while early Pele played for one of the best sides ever? Fx old Baggio, if I'm not mistaken, had seasons similar in contribution with prime Messi?
     
  14. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Free Kicks Scored + FKs won scored by teammates

    Pelé: 44-28: (72)
    Maradona: 59-8: (67)
    Messi: 65-2: (67)
     
  15. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Pelé's 3-Year Average Stats

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  16. Ftblabsolute

    Ftblabsolute Member

    France
    Mar 17, 2024
    Pelé surely played with a worse side later in his career, but the main factor I believe is the context. Paulista started averaging 1.5x - 2x less goals per game in that same period, around 2 goals per game from 1971. From 1967 to 1969 it was around 2.8 to 3 goals per game, still far behind the 3.5 goals per game in the beginning of Pelé's career
     
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  17. spartacus7

    spartacus7 Member

    Jul 8, 2023
    I still wonder if the goal contribution ratio is useful when comparing players who played in super teams vs players who did not. Is it not easier to have a high percentage if you play for a smaller side? I don't know the answer myself, but it's a possibility.
     
  18. Al Gabiru

    Al Gabiru Member

    Jan 28, 2020
    #269 Al Gabiru, Jul 14, 2024
    Last edited: Jul 14, 2024
    There's a famous quote by Tostão:

    I think it's like Michael Jordan, whose physical peak was in 1987/88/89, then in the 90s he was still the best, but a bit heavier.
     
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  19. Isaías Silva Serafim

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Dec 2, 2021
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Another analogy inside of football is Cristiano Ronaldo with his prime years being 2010-2014 but he continued to be at the top after this despite being heavier
     
  20. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Pelé Stats 1975 for Cosmos
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    Penalty Shootouts for Cosmos
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    56 games, 4977 minutes, 257 shots, 31 goals
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  21. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Pelé, some matches vs European Clubs

    Team Contribution: 61.91%

    Per90:
    Goals: 1.262
    Assists: 0.570

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  22. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Correction of Pelé's assists with Cosmos thanks to the use of better sources

    Now the total number of assists is 364

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  23. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Pelé, some matches vs European Clubs

    Team Contribution: 66.27%

    Per90:
    Goals: 1.394
    Assists: 0.697

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  24. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Most Assists in Football History (Opta+Non-Opta)

    Pelé
    : 487
    Messi: 458
    Cruyff: 458
    Puskás: 440

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    Team's Goals Assisted (Opta+Non-Opta)

    Pelé: 37.61%
    Maradona: 35.63%
    Cruyff: 33.23%
    Messi: 31.12%
    Puskás: 29.29%
    Zico: 28.97%
     

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