Pearce: Rostock v. Nurnberg, 8/18 (R)

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  1. BuffloSoldier

    BuffloSoldier BigSoccer Supporter

    Jan 31, 2000
    Northern NJ
    Heath starts--scoreless in the first half.
     
  2. BuffloSoldier

    BuffloSoldier BigSoccer Supporter

    Jan 31, 2000
    Northern NJ
    N'berg strikes for two quick ones. 0-2.
     
  3. new_skin

    new_skin Member

    Aug 2, 2007
    Boston
    Club:
    VfB Stuttgart
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    2-1 in the 62nd minute.
     
  4. BuffloSoldier

    BuffloSoldier BigSoccer Supporter

    Jan 31, 2000
    Northern NJ
    Ended 2-1 to the visitors.
     
  5. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/.../liga/1/saison/2007-08/spieltag/2/naviindex/6

    On the 81st min, Pearce ripped a hard wormburner from about 25 yards that just missed the goal. On the 71st, his cross (off an "in-lap"), found Rostock's forward (Cetkovic, I believe), who headed into side-setting from 2 meters, albeit at an angle.

    PS. How Wächter manages to stay in Bundesliga, I'll never know.
     
  6. ami-berliner

    ami-berliner Member

    Mar 21, 2004
    Berlin
    Club:
    Hertha BSC Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Watched Bundesliga Pur on DSF this morning and the reporter praised Pearce for his match performace. Mentioned something about him being capped 7 times for the US. So far I've seen the highlights from the first 2 matches Pearce has played in. He looked better in this match than he did against FC Hollywood (Bayern), but then again he didn't have to worry about Klose, Toni, etc. Hopefully he`ll keep improving. His passing is good, and he sees the field well. Good option for the LB position for the the US.
     
  7. golazo68

    golazo68 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 21, 2004
    Brazil
    After watching Bayern Munich crush Bremen AT BREMEN, the spanking that Rostock took a week ago doesn't look so bad any more.

    BM is scary on paper, but they are already scary on the pitch as well. One of the best teams in Europe, I would say.

    Its very exciting to see Pearce start off well in the BL. We really need to strengthen our left back option for the US Men's team, so we are all certainly rooting for him to continue. His crossing/offense a real extra +
     
  8. Ceres

    Ceres Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Aarhus, Denmark
    Club:
    AGF Aarhus
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    Strange ?....

    I wonder what happened to the Pearce-bashers ?... Where have they all gone ? ;)
     
  9. Deimos

    Deimos Member

    Apr 23, 1999
    Louisville, KY, USA
    I'd like to know what happened to Pearce.

    He bulked up? ;) (As everyone knows is the key)

    European traning methods?

    He finally drank the Euro-Kool-Aid?

    He was that good all along?
     
  10. Martin Fischer

    Martin Fischer Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Kampala. Uganda
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Are you issuing an invitation to a flame war?

    Anyway, I have seen nothing from Pearce to indicate that he is as good a left back as Bornstein or Spector and the fact that he is playing regularly for an apparently bad Bundesliga team doesn't mean anything in that regard unless it leads to better play by Pearce for the USMNT.
     
  11. golazo68

    golazo68 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 21, 2004
    Brazil
    Have you seen anything from Pearce in the last 6 months?

    Ah, the famous 'if I haven't seen it, it doesn't exist'.

    I think it goes without saying that going from a lesser league and earning a starting spot in one of the top 5 league in the world at 23.....is an indication of progress.

    Its simply too early to know who our real left back is going to be. It could be any of the 3 mentioned (or even someone else). We should all be happy that Pearce is progressing (even if you are not seeing it)
     
  12. seanie blue

    seanie blue New Member

    Jul 5, 2007
    I agree with Golazo. Might not be obvious, but Pearce stepping up like this is the best YA story so far this season. I have been a Pearce basher, but I will eat my words right now. I think he's always had good timing, but from the highlights I browsed through it seems like his anticipation and positioning has really improved. But why?

    You hve to rate Spector first, but Pearce is right there in my book, both of them ahead of Bornstein. And I like Bornstein, he's very effective even if he commits too many mistakes for my liking. Does the small stuff well.

    But a starting Bundesligaman who will play 35 games, and a starting EPLer who might put in the same? Wow. Rich.
     
  13. Tonerl

    Tonerl Member+

    Arsenal
    May 10, 2006
    Cincinnati, OH
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I hate to be a bother, but did he play left back or left mid in this game? It seems like he played left mid versus Munich, yeah? Or am I mistaken on that count? (I didn't see either game, I just think I remember reading that.)
     
  14. flux82

    flux82 Member

    Aug 9, 2001
    Mississippi
    As opposed to playing for a mediocre MLS team and having one good performance for the USMNT while Pearce rarely gets a look, and doesn't even get called into a friendly in Europe? I just want a fair competition, and Bradley seems to be acting like Bornstein is the only option he's got when that is simply not true.
     
  15. Martin Fischer

    Martin Fischer Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Kampala. Uganda
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    JRI -- I never thought that failure to be able to read a calendar was one of your defects. Copa America was last month. My point was that -- contrary to your stated position -- going from a decent Danish team to a poor Bundesliga team for a few games is indication of nothing. When and if he plays well for the Nats, I will note his progress [P.S. Flux, Pearce has a fair number of caps for the USMNT, none of them indicating much ability to succeed at that level, unlike, IMHO, Bornstein.
     
  16. new_skin

    new_skin Member

    Aug 2, 2007
    Boston
    Club:
    VfB Stuttgart
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bradley has put Pearce in the doghouse because he (Pearce) claimed to be the best left-back right now in the US system. Is it true? Not sure, but he's definitely better than Bornstein. I'll never forget how he scored the easiest goal of all time against Denmark, only to run all over the place like he just beat Maradona's 1986 goal vs. England, totally ignoring Justin Mapp who did every bit of work on a brilliant run to get the ball in the box. Even Wynalda made the comment 'Hey Bornstein, go over there and hug the guy who gave it to you.' Never did though. Anyway, the point of this was that Pearce deserves a serious look over Bradley's golden boy.
     
  17. Maitreya

    Maitreya Member+

    Apr 30, 2007
    Providence, RI
    I didn't see any of the Nurnberg game, but Pearce definitely played significant minutes at left mid in the Bayern match. He likes getting out of posit...I mean getting forward.

    Ah the fate of the USMNT fan: debating the relative merits of players for relatively small clubs in major European leagues vs the merits of players who perform well in MLS. I agree with the idea that play for the full national team, when opportunity has been dolled out fairly, should be the ultimate basis for judgment. Pearce deserves more chances than he has received so far, but neither he nor Spector has performed better than Bornstein yet.
     
  18. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    Pearce received "4" for his effort vs. Bayern, which was the second highest of all Hansa players and that was despite being played out of position in the second half.

    In the first half, he went against Basti Schweinsteiger and Philip Lahm (you may have heard of those players) and more than held his own.

    By comparison, Jonathan Bornstein was the weakest link in the US defense by being responsible for about a goal a game at Copa Anerica against a much lower level of talent than has been assembled by Uli Höneß for this season at Bayern.
     
  19. golazo68

    golazo68 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 21, 2004
    Brazil
    The list of both players that were so-so with the Nats at first (but then later good), alternatively great with the Nats at first (and later so-so) is rather lengthy. Your logic doesn't seem to hold up all that well in this regard

    Maybe another way to state your argument is: "I'll accept that Pearce can be a good player for the US National Team when he is (already) a good player for the US National team".

    Under those terms, no one would ever get a chance with the US National team.

    You also leave out a crucial bit of information: Pearce didn't just go from decent Danish team to a poor German team. We have received reports from sources saying that he is playing well or well enough vs. good/great BL teams. That's not everything, but it is something.

    Why be such a stick in the mud? Its good that our guy seems on track here. Nothing definitive. But certainly nothing is definitive with the left back position anyway, and we are 3 years from a World Cup, so its all about our prospect pool growing and receiving good reports at this stage.
     
  20. FirstStar

    FirstStar Hustlin' for the USA

    Fulham Football Club
    Feb 1, 2005
    Time's Arrow
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think the bigger point with the USMNT is not whether Pearce is better than Bornstein (not a big hurdle in my mind, but JB's young yet) but whether he's one of the top two options. If all we do is play Bornstein over and over and over again, we are going to be in pretty bad shape when he breaks an ankle in 2009.
     
  21. Maitreya

    Maitreya Member+

    Apr 30, 2007
    Providence, RI
    This all seems like good logic...until you realize that player performance is not on a discrete scale. When you say that a player held his own, you may mean that he performed as well as could reasonably be expected against players of such quality. Or you may mean that he was equal to them during the game, winning about half of the challenges. However, when such a player goes against lesser players, he may end up only holding his own against them too, not dominating as many will expect. Why? Because the traits that allowed him to have limited success against the best still hold against the mediocre, but he hasn't suddenly improved other attributes or gained new ones. Until we see more of how Pearce plays in the Red, White, and Blue, it doesn't matter how many times he "holds his own" against the likes of Phillip Lahm.
     
  22. flux82

    flux82 Member

    Aug 9, 2001
    Mississippi
    In my opinion, Pearce deserves more looks because Bornstein has yet to prove himself with the National Team as of yet. After watching all of his starts with the Nats, he played well for about 60 minutes against Mexico this year, and that is the only time he has come close to be consistent on the international level in my viewpoint. This competition is so wide open, but Bradley only calls in Bornstein as a left back option against Sweden? That is what doesn't make sense to me, and that is why I am saying that Pearce is not getting a fair shake at the moment.

    Essentially, we are all just voicing our own subjective opinions. Apparently, Bradley determines it all, and he feels that Bornstein deserves the spot against Sweden, and deserved the spot is almost every single Gold Cup and Copa America game. I don't understand it, but apparently the competition is over for the time being. If there ever really was a competition, which is my main complaint.
     
  23. eric_appleby

    eric_appleby Member+

    Jun 11, 1999
    Down East
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, let's see if Pearce plays in any of these friendlies for the rest of the year. If not, then it would seem to be a personal issue with Bradley. These things happen in international soccer. I just don't see the wisdom in annointing Bornstein the left back 3 years before South Africa.
     
  24. Super White Boy

    Super White Boy New Member

    Mar 6, 2005
    Gaithersburg, MD
    I've been a Pierce fan, but his play in the Copa America has me a bit concerned. I like the fact that he has gone form a lower level league (Generally seen as a springboard to the bigger leagues for younger players) to the Bundesliga. It can only help his development.

    I only saw the game against Bayren Munich, not this week's game. It he is in a higher quality league it can only help his game. Howerver; it will only pay dividends if he can do it for the USMNT.

    I've been a fan and I'm cautiously optimistic, but I'm reserving judgement until after he has been in Germany a while and had a few more chances with the USMNT.
     
  25. green94

    green94 Member

    Jan 1, 2007
    Minneapolis
    Club:
    Hamburger SV
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He played one game. He was solid, not really spectactular in that game. The performance didn't warrent any concern.
     

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