Peace With these Guys?

I wish more people would finally realize this. Yes, it is that simple. They want to kill us, and until we cause enough damage and until we can put away all those teachers of "peace" and completely, 180 degrees, turn around the education and propaganda of Arab machine, we will never, ever have peace. This has nothing to do with "occupied territories", nothing to do with land, it's about having Jews in that part of the land with their own state. This is sad and scary, but a realistic point of view of many muslims in ME. And Yes, more killings will have to be done.

 

Yet the US is portrayed as abusive, anti-Muslim, great satan, etc...

Gotta love those peaceloving honest clerics.

M-16 couple hundred $'s, bullets 22cents, 1 dead hate monger Muslim cleric? Priceless

 

if you kill him they will simply make him a martyr.

Instead Kill every family member of anyone who commits a terrorist attack against the west.Take it to there families,make sure every muslim knows if he blows himself up .. his family will be joining him shortly.
Spare no one.Children, Women, Old Men, Cousins ,Aunts, Grandaddies, Nephews.
Whether they are in Jersey City,Leeds , the west bank or Islamabad.Hunt them down and be as brutal as one can be.
Make the knowledge of our revenge against their familes as the deterent.It will not stop the hatred, nor will it completley stop the bombings.But I wonder how many of the 9/11 and London bombers would have commited their acts if they knew their familes would pay the price for their acts.

 

Sounds like a good time. Happy Killing!

 

So basically, you would fight terrorism with terrorism...

 

I think he was advocating genocide

 

Killing is fun when you're doing it with words on the internet

 

No. That's not terrorism -- they're on our side. Which makes them "Freedom Fighters". Or was that the Cold War. Damnit... I get so confused these days. I just hope everyone has a whole lot of fun killing each other.

 

Maybe it's loads of fun doing it in person? As the saying goes, don't knock it until you've tried it.

This being the internet with inevitably one moron reading this, I'll dummy proof this post by noting that I'm obviously joking. Killing in person really isn't any fun at all. Actually, it's kind of a pain in the butt!

 

It is one thing to say it, it is another thing to be directing Temple Mount digs intended to destroy the archeological remains of the Temple as this man is doing while Israel's Antiquity Commission is denied access.

 

Proving the moral superiority of the western civilization.

 

As former Republican, I really, honestly understand (though do not condone) these Muslims' view of the US and their subsequent tactics as of the war on Iraq. Of course they aren't gonna out-gun us, DUH, but one thing they can do is try to shock ordinary citizens, and try to win the psychological/media war. Interesting that the Muslims' "PsyOps" are 10000000X more effedctive than Rumsfelds "PsyOps."

 

I most certainly do think suggestions above are waaay OTT and immoral, quite obviously arousing from basic anger.

But at the same time, it is a known fact that Arab militants (at state and terrorist level) constantly exploit today's Western state's childish faith in treaties and civility.

 

It is easier to be feared than loved.

 

Yes, that's why it is the arab world who rules the world. Because of western states' childish faith in treaties and civility. No western states would ever exploit the rest of the world.

Western states (export version) are not so childish nor so faithful to civility as you are suggesting. Maybe common individuals are, and you'd find them both in the western world and the muslim world. They're the absolute majority.

The guy is a moron, Yasik.

Someone suggesting to kill all the arabs (or the families or the "savages" or the "animals") the same.

 

The point is much simpler than we think. We have to eliminate those that preach so much hate and such propaganda because one imam like that guy brainwashes 1,000 others. So, first we kill, yes kill, those hate mongers and those who finance them. Second, we re-educate with our propaganda those who are still not lost. But we can't do this in reverse order. Hate must end first, then re-education. And Yes, sometimes, terrorism can and should only be fought back with more terrorism. Those who say violence perpetuate violence should only examine WWII and its end.

 

And I started jumpin' up and down, yellin' "KILL! KILL!" and he started jumpin' up and down with me, and we was both jumpin' up and down, yellin', "KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL!" and the sergeant came over, pinned a medal on me, sent me down the hall, said "You're our boy"

 

There is a logic in advocating a kill them stance with some of these terrorists. It is all they will ever understand, and lets not pretend that they care about any treaties or policies or the Geneva Convention or anything like that. Chopping heads off, crashing planes into buildings etc...sorry but the only way to deal with these types is to put a bullet through their heads.

 

You can get anything you want on Big Soccer.

 

Just to keep this discussion fair and balanced here's the previous article in the series. It's about a wackjob on the other side of the Israeli-Palestinian divide:

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/08/09/MNGF6E53GL1.DTL

 

You can’t take away someone’s hate with the barrel of a gun. This “kill them all, then fix the problem” attitude will only lead to you playing whack-a-terrorist forever. This is not a conventional war, with a conventional army to defeat. The more brutal we are, and the more widespread that brutality, the more terrorists we will create. These kind of actions will grow support amongst moderate Muslims.

Yes, swift and forceful action has it’s place in thwarting actual attacks. But killing political leaders–even of such awful movements as this–only strengthens their voice. No, you have to make it such that their words lose power, lose effect. Then you win.

 

There you go, exagerating again.

He was not advocating genocide. He was explicity advocating retribution targeted specifically at family members of terrorists. I don't advocate it, but, I'll admit, the thought occured to me once.

I recall a couple years back asking myself, how do we stop an ideologically-fanatical enemy, one committed to the destruction of our society, unwilling to negotiate, and unable to entertain a vision of peaceful co-existence? And then, in a moment of abject frustration, I came upon the same idea; kill the families of the perps.

How and why would I or anyone else get to that point?

I think it was because I saw nothing else that might work, and ultimately my family and countrymen are more valuable to me than theirs are. Bottom line: I wanted these notjobs to stop before the next mass slaughter, so, if I knew it would save my people, why not threaten theirs?

The problem is -- aside from the obvious sacrificing of our own humanity -- it probably wouldn't work. They already have religious leadership exhorting them to continue, validating their decision, and people on the Arab street providing at least passive approval. If a preacher can get men to walk away from life, abandoning their wives and children in exchange for martyrdom, should we expect him to have much difficulty explaining how 10 martyrs are better than 1? And, guess what, they get to join you in heaven!

So, why go there?

But hypothetically? If I absolutely knew I could persuade them to stop slaughtering us by letting them know I'd kill their families? Yeah, take a guess who loses. Given such hypothetical certainty, would you choose differently, if doing so meant allowing more 9/11s?

But, back to the real world;

I believe we should target the preachers of hate, those fomenting the ideollogy. Collect evidence through wire taps and other intel gathering measures. Issue international warrants charging them with conspiracy to commit genocide. Arrest, try and incarcerate those we can. Shoot the rest. It's time to change the rules.