PBP Thread: Match #7, Argentina vs Iceland, 16 June 2018 [R]

Discussion in 'GROUP D: Argentina, Croatia, Iceland, Nigeria' started by Paul Calixte, Jun 13, 2018.

  1. HomietheClown

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    A fashion statement.
     
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  2. Christina99

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    Argentina
    Sep 22, 2013
    Buenos Aires
    Nat'l Team:
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    If we get out in GS, I will be all in with my other team: PERU

    Lets hope they win today
     
  3. Brasitusa

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    It's too early to worry so much. For all we know, maybe this afternoon Croatia and Nigeria will draw, essentially resetting the group to equal opportunities for everybody.
     
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  4. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    They still have to go out and beat Croatia and Nigeria. Hopefully they learned something from what happened today.
     
  5. monere

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    For you the hardest part of this WC is gone, honestly. Your games against Croatia and Nigeria will be much more opened and easier to score. The only thing you (well, your coach, not you) need to fix is the defensive aspect. You guys do concede a lot of goals IMO
     
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  6. Bluewings21

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    In addition, Argentina needed several players to step up to take advantage of spaces created by Messi closely being marked by several Icelandic defenders. It didn't happen.
     
  7. Christina99

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    Argentina
    Sep 22, 2013
    Buenos Aires
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Is Sampaoli as bad a coach as Maradona was? even more?
     
  8. HomietheClown

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    No.
     
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  9. JoCryuff98

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    Jan 3, 2018
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Pretty sure Ronaldo and Co would’ve struggled against Iceland. That team can even probably nullify Brazil.
     
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  10. Sian

    Sian Member

    Dec 4, 2011
    Considering that Iceland pretty much pulled the same effort in the Euroes in '16, Its kinda unfair to label them one hit wonder, even if they have a golden generation that could explain all the team tactics in detail if woken up 2am
     
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  11. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
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    Argentina
    Yeah, they both led their team to a draw.
     
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  12. Testator

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    This dependency on one player is a killer. Argentina shouldn't have this happening. Messi isn't the only good player they have, but they behave like the rest have no ability.

    Argentina were also lucky Iceland never played with a tall striker partnering Finnbogasson (they have Bodvarsson). Doing this could've led to knock-downs and better hold-up play. I know Croatia can be big chokers, but we will beat Argentina if Fazio doesn't play in their back line in 5 days.
     
  13. JoCryuff98

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    Jan 3, 2018
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    Btw this is off topic, but do any of guys face some loading problem using footballia. It takes a lot of time for the videos to load.
     
  14. HomietheClown

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    footballia sounds like a sickness people get to excuse themselves from work during the World Cup.
     
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  15. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    True, but nobody expected anything from Iceland nonetheless. Back in 90 Cameroon was the two time defending African champion, and nobody expected anything from them either.
     
  16. monere

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    LOL
     
  17. JoCryuff98

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    Football ain’t basketball where an individual top player can actually single handedly win games. Sampaoli should stop prioritising Messi and think about Dybala and other good players.
     
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  18. JoCryuff98

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    Clowns make me laugh
     
  19. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
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    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    He's not Maradona, he's had his success as coach. But so far with Argentina he's been stubborn with his personnel decisions, refusing to see what everybody else seems to see. Exhibit A is Lucas Biglia.
     
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  20. JoCryuff98

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    Sampaoli is a far better coach than Maradona. Look what he did with Chile and his tenure with Sevilla was impressive. Well, he’s a bit like Guardiola and really isn’t flexible in terms of tactical decisions.
     
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  21. HomietheClown

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    To be fair the guy has not been a manger of the team for that long and is still trying to figure things out on the fly with little time.
    The team he went up against has been playing together under the same system and manager for a long time in comparison.
     
  22. JoCryuff98

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    That same team drew Portugal in Euro 16 and we know what happened. I’m optimistic that Argentina will do well, but Sampaoli should play someone like Dybala.
     
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  23. Century's Best

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    #273 Century's Best, Jun 16, 2018
    Last edited: Jun 16, 2018
    At least early on, before Aguero scored, the Argentines seemed nervous. The Icelanders in contrast showed no fear whatsoever. Were I not a follower of this sport, I would have never guessed this was this team's first-ever World Cup participation.

    As one would expect from an Argentine NT, the South Americans had the majority of possession, and they did create chances, but the "Vikings" were consistent in defense and did not panic. The last time I saw Argentina "surround" a team so often in search of a goal was the 2nd half of the England vs. Argentina group stage match in Japan back in 2002.

    From a tactical standpoint, I'll be surprised if Argentina returns with the same formation. Croatia has an excellent midfield, and they are unarguably superior to Iceland. The good thing about a disappointing result in the group stage's first match is that it grants a manager time to tinker and the opportunity to alter his lineup for the next match.

    I also believe that the results of Nigeria vs. Croatia will play a direct role in the formation the South Americans deploy vs. the eastern Europeans.

    "Dramatic" most aptly defines this game.
     
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  24. Sian

    Sian Member

    Dec 4, 2011
    And that is the reason why many Swedes was (even if sorta reluctantly, 'cause it removed some of the star power) happy to see Zlatan remove himself from the NT and so against any cheeky suggestions from him that he was the one deciding if he went to WC or not and that he barely had to make a call saying that he was considerering it to get an invitation on a silver platter (completely disregarding the fact that he was injured at that point)
     
  25. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
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    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Yes, and it showed today.
     

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