PBP Thread: Germany vs South Korea, 27 June 2018

Discussion in 'GROUP F: Germany, Mexico, Sweden, South Korea' started by Salmos, Jun 25, 2018.

  1. persianfootball

    persianfootball Member+

    Aug 5, 2004
    outside your realm
    that was long ago. i was talking about more recent world cups. but i will take your word for it about the confed cup claim. although off the top of my head i dont think the confed cup is that old of a tournament.
     
  2. persianfootball

    persianfootball Member+

    Aug 5, 2004
    outside your realm
    its a joke.. italy always defeats germany in semifinals. so the one time italy was not in it germany goes out so no other team can knock them out in knockouts.
     
  3. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    #178 msioux75, Jun 27, 2018
    Last edited: Jun 27, 2018
    From my mind:

    Spain-2010
    Bulgaria-1994
    Yugoslavia-1962


    But, I know, is there some team that Germany are afraid to face at WC, that team is Italy, for sure
     
  4. oc2004

    oc2004 Member

    Dec 6, 2009
    Germany should have brought the Confederations team instead. That team played way better!
     
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  5. svelten

    svelten Member

    Jun 22, 2009
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    Big teams quit for very meaningful and pivotal game 3's unless you meant as sarcasm. It's incredible how many of these giants just laid a giant turd.

    Nothing could top this though. Not only the context of Germany, being world champions, 7-1 thrashers of Brazil at home, seemingly invulnerable and then being eliminated and bottom of their group. The ELO points exchanged between two sides was a whopping 80. I think that's the biggest exchange of the entire year of any match. Germany dropped to 7th and Korea shot up to 25th.

    Someone made the joke that Korea needed to beat Germany 2-0 to have a shot to advance and that those odds were like 100-1... Maybe less long odds than 7-1 Brazil but someone probably became rich today. Oddly it was Mexico that really laid the turd in the final match of this group but escaped by the skin of their teeth.
     
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  6. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

    Mar 17, 2004
    Club:
    --other--
    No, I'm talking about teams like France in 2002 or 2010 or England in 2014 where they throw out the compelete surrender different lineup and go through the motions and go home.
     
  7. persianfootball

    persianfootball Member+

    Aug 5, 2004
    outside your realm
    this match will prove why fifa ranking has huge flaws. south korea was gifted the win and they will leap in the rankings because on paper they beat a much higher ranked teams. but in reality any decent team would have scored 3-4 goals against germany late on. fifa rankings needs to take into account the level of desperation of the opponent, although that is hard to quantify. if this was the first match of the group stages for example, there is no way germany would not have beaten this south korean side. meanwhile Iran played much better than south korea against spain but on paper it is 1-0 loss and will negatively affect our rank.
     
  8. BatatasFritas

    BatatasFritas Member+

    Nov 29, 2004
    Toronto
    Club:
    FC Porto
    For sure. That team was playing really well together.
     
  9. BatatasFritas

    BatatasFritas Member+

    Nov 29, 2004
    Toronto
    Club:
    FC Porto
    You need to advocate for moral victory points.
     
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  10. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Why do you worry about such things? If Iran and South Korea are indeed two giants of Asia, they will eventually meet each other in tournaments or qualifiers, and whatever happens on the field at that point will mean a lot more than the bogus FIFA rankings.
     
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  11. persianfootball

    persianfootball Member+

    Aug 5, 2004
    outside your realm
    fifa ranking is important for seeding purposes.
     
  12. svelten

    svelten Member

    Jun 22, 2009
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    I'm not sure why Iran matters in an SK-Germany game. Iran also got their moral victory points vs a lethargic Portugal who would have, supposedly by your logic, thrashed them if it was their first game. Thankfully, it's the results on the pitch that matter and everything else is just noise. And this is Elo ratings we are talking about, which also uses a similar formula. How else would you quantify points exchanged? If San Marino beat Brazil it better result in a +1000 point swing differential.

    Germany had every intention and reason to be desperate and putting in 100% effort. Desperation makes teams play better usually, not worse... if anything SK should have gotten even more points exchanged given what was at stake for both teams. Beating a German team that had already qualified would have mattered way less.
     
  13. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Then don’t worry. South Korea is as unlikely as Iran to be seeded at the next WC, in spite of their win.
     
  14. White/Blue_since1860

    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    The attack of Steiner will bring it all under control

     
  15. Phillyspur

    Phillyspur Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Mar 18, 2007
    Arroganistan
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    It doesn't. At all.
     
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  16. F.L.I.P.

    F.L.I.P. Member

    Apr 26, 2005
    Germany needed Gotze and Sane...loyalty to some players killed Germany's chances in this WC
     
  17. Colo-Colo62

    Colo-Colo62 Member

    Colo-Colo
    Brazil
    Mar 27, 2018
    Copenhagen, Denmark
    First time ever Germany did not make it to the playoffs. Today it might not feel so, but Germany is a nation of winners. It is in their football DNA. They will be back to raise trophies.

    Also respect to the interviews on German TV - ZDF. They were hugely diaspointed, but made no bad excuses. Same goes for Jogi Löw.
     
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  18. 12th Warrior

    12th Warrior Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 27, 2006
    Meh, you got your Asian stereotypes mixed up.
     
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  19. bigsoccertst1

    bigsoccertst1 Member

    United States
    Sep 22, 2017
    Are Iran fans this desperate that now dismiss a valid WC win by a fellow AFC side?

    Or is it some convoluted attempt to name Iran on unrelated WC match threads?

    Cannot tell whether this is worse than blaming corrupt FIFA for Portugal+Spain advancing, because sponsorship deals needed protection:confused:.

    Big ups to South Korea on their win against Germany. Somehow, FIFA forgot to protect Germany+sponsors...

    I am sure South Korean fans will revisit this match for some years. Good stuff.
     
  20. leao1918

    leao1918 Member

    Fortaleza EC
    Brazil
    Jun 17, 2018
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    By far the biggest drama of this WC. I was eating thorugh my nails watching this and I was neutral as to which team classified. Amazing effort by SK, they are the people's champs right now (especially to mexicans).

    And let's just stop for a moment now and think about the 9 minutes of additional time that this crappy ref gave Germany? That is almost a full OT half. Blatant shameless bias towards helping out the european side.
     
  21. Mani

    Mani BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 1, 2004
    Club:
    Perspolis
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    #196 Mani, Jun 27, 2018
    Last edited: Jun 27, 2018
    Since when has “persianfootball” equaled “Iran fans”? There are hundreds of “Iran fans” on this site, and “persianfootball” is just one guy!

    And who are YOU to talk about Iran fans anyways? From what I’ve seen from your posting history, you are a Saudi supporter with an agenda and obsession with Iran. So don’t generalize other teams’ fans and try to push your hidden agenda here. In case you didn’t know, Iranians and Koreans have had the most heated arguments on this website over the years, yet the vast majority of our fans still support each other during the World Cup cycles. If anything, Korea beating Germany is good for AFC and therefor Iran.
     
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  22. Ceres

    Ceres Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Aarhus, Denmark
    Club:
    AGF Aarhus
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    As in the old saying "Football is a simple game. Twenty-two men chase a ball for 90 minutes and at the end, the Koreans beat the Germans" ... or wait, is that the new saying ? ...
     
  23. bigsoccertst1

    bigsoccertst1 Member

    United States
    Sep 22, 2017
    Dude... when did I ever support disgraceful AFC teams?

    People don't care about Iran vs KSA squabbles, you dig?

    I used the plural noun because we got Iran fans on unrelated threads always trying to hype up their team.

    Seriously man, give it a rest already. Iran ain't a topic in this thread. South Korea is.
     
  24. Mani

    Mani BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 1, 2004
    Club:
    Perspolis
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    #199 Mani, Jun 27, 2018
    Last edited: Jun 27, 2018
    That’s just gold coming from you. Because you’re the one who is clearly obsessed and prejudiced, making generalizing comments, and only one I see here who cares about what a poster’s nationality is. So no, YOU give it a rest! Who here had even mentioned Iran before you started blaming “Iran fans” for one guy talking shit for himself. Address the individuals you have a problem with, don’t drag other fans into it.
     
  25. bigsoccertst1

    bigsoccertst1 Member

    United States
    Sep 22, 2017
    Fair enough. I made my complaint, so let us hope the over-hyping subsides.

    Good to see South Korea perform as it did today. Japan might still provide another UEFA defeat tomorrow.
     
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