PBP: PBP: 2021 MLS Season Game Thread Week 28(?) Sept 22-25

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by jaykoz3, Sep 21, 2021.

  1. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    Dagger... maybe
     
  2. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    Foul called on review
     
  3. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The outlook really changed for NYCFC in a period of a few minutes, from 2-0 to no goal to a red card.
     
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  4. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
    Aliseda robbed by Kessler and then Turner in a span of 2 minutes.
     
  5. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Late winner for Carles Gil. What a run by Buchanan to make it happen.
     
  6. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
    Gil at the death. 3-2 Revs.
     
  7. asoc

    asoc Member+

    Sep 28, 2007
    Tacoma
    Damn it Chicago...

    Why...
     
  8. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Penalty 7 minutes deep in stoppage coming for the Red Bulls? Close.
     
  9. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
  10. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I gotta think the automatic card for a handball in the box has to be changed. Chanot wasn't trying to gain an advantage - he got one, which is why they penalty was given. But then the yellow -> red and suspension for the next game is too much.
     
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  11. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Definitely a pk for me, and the Red Bulls level it in +12 stoppage time.
     
  12. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    another boring tie
     
  13. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree with this. We've already gotten rid of the triple punishment for other offenses, because intent matters and we don't want to over-punish. Sending someone off for a complete accident isn't necessary.
     
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  14. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agreed 100%. The pk was enough. There was nothing overt about what Chanot did, though it was a legit pk because of the result of the play. The fans went crazy for the pk. I keep hearing no one cares about MLS. Funny, eh?
     
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  15. FoxBoro 143

    FoxBoro 143 Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #40 FoxBoro 143, Sep 22, 2021
    Last edited: Sep 22, 2021
    Tough night for PRO in NY, but typical PRO. Horrendous red card.
    Hopefully this league starts to aggressively recruit top level officials from the rest of the world. It's tough to take this league seriously when you almost consistently expect a buffoon running around with a whistle.
    What is the average salary of a full-time PRO ref? Is it enough to poach some competent bodies from South America and Europe?

    Of course, by PRO standards, the referee had a decent performance relative to what we typically see in MLS. It's just irritating when it's you team losing points to the referee.
     
  16. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Elfath is an excellent referee. I couldn't watch the game because I'm blacked out but I'll make sure to watch the guys review it on Extra Time tomorrow.
     
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  17. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Which red card? I disagree with the rule that saw Chanot sent off, but that's the fault of the rule, not of the referee.
     
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  18. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    @FoxBoro 143 I think you're right. I can see what the referee saw, from his position it looks like the injury was caused by the studs running down the back of the player's calf but on review it was the knee in the back of the knee that caused the injury and the studs didn't make contact. VAR should have overturned it.

    4:46 in
     
  19. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There's a big gap in quality officials in USSF. With the rapid expansions of USL and MLS, there just simply is not enough experienced officials for all of the games. The officials that PRO does have are being overworked, which is leading to more inconsistency.

    As for "poaching" officials from other leagues outside of the US? The referees have a Union. I may be remembering this wrong, but the hiring of Alan Kelly did not sit well with the Referees Union all of the years ago.... It's not a simple matter.

    That said, there are refereeing issues in most leagues across the globe. Fans of the EPL piss and moan every week about the officiating. Out of all of the the Euro leagues, the Bundesliga probably has the most consistent officiating.
     
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  20. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think MLS refs are great.
     
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  21. SetPeace

    SetPeace Member+

    Jun 22, 2004
    SC Illinois
    Club:
    Torquay United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Divergent opinions about the usage of VAR abound from place to place too. Last year, it was reported that English fans hated VAR because it was being used too much in EPL games. Italian fans were miffed because they thought VAR wasn't used enough in Serie A.

    As for MLS officiating, I think it's OK overall. Like players, referees can have a 'clunker' performance once in a while too. You hate to see it when it happens, especially if it's your team that's negatively impacted, but like so much in sports, it's a part of the game.
     
  22. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    English fans hate VAR because of the v abuse of the "clear and obvious" rule. If the ref can't see it on the monitor without lines is not clear and obvious. MLS has its right.
     
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  23. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A shot on goal blocked by a handball is an automatic yellow.
     
  24. FoxBoro 143

    FoxBoro 143 Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah the PK was tough, rules are rules and the correct interpretation of the handball rule generates constant debate.
    It was the red card on Parks that was awful.
     
  25. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #50 code1390, Sep 22, 2021
    Last edited: Sep 22, 2021
    There's been a trend the last few weeks globally to crack down on this type of tackle. It's a tackle from behind that results in the weight of the defenders body going into the plant leg on the attacker. It can easily cause a dislocated ankle as we saw with Harvey Elliot. It resulted in KDB having an ankle injury in the Euros. I love this red card and I hope we continue to see it given. It's a tackle that is more likely to seriously hurt someone then studs to the lower shin.

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    This is the full body weight of a pro athlete onto the ankle of someone while tackling from behind. This needs to be a red card and I love seeing the trend of cracking down on this. This is not a fair challenge and it's something that has been allowed back into the game over the last decade or so.
     
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