Paulo Fonseca: Zorro Di Mozambique

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  1. whill4

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    Mazzarri or bust
     
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  3. Salmeen10

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  4. Bizubani

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    When are we going to renew Fonseca?

    If we can manage to keep the core of the team through to next season, I really feel like he needs to be here to oversee it.
     
  5. whill4

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  6. Matrim

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    It's a missed opportunity how they didn't reassure us that losing to every club that pays more than a minimum wage to their players is ultimately a sign of improvement too.
     
  7. Villar14

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    Go look at our wages. We pay alot of guys a shitload of money to not play or just flat out suck, besides Miki. Pastore 4.5, Smalling 3.8, Fazio 2.5 Zaniolo 2.5m, Jesus 2.2, Perez 2. That's 35m in wages for guys who haven't contributed anything this year. Not even to include Dzeko and Pedro on 7.5m and 3m who we pay 21m to be useless. Use your brain please.
     
  8. Matrim

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    If you look into the table you'll probably notice how the other 19 clubs and 19 coaches have to deal with the same problems, as you can never field all 25 main squad players in the field at the same time.

    News flash you brainful fanatic - every Roma coach since the beginning had to use less players per match that the overall wages are paying for.

    You can bend backwards and kiss your *ss in the effort, but you can't bend the truth to a level that makes Fonseca anything short of a joker coach.
     
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    Roma are also interested in replacing Dzeko with Mbappe.
     
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  10. Andreas

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    May 1, 2011
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    I declare war upon everyone who thinks Fonseca should stay.
     
  11. shiboboo

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    Nov 13, 2010
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    I've moved my response over here, as it's more general and we're beyond the Napoli game.

    My defense of Fonseca has nothing do with him, personally. As I've said before (not that it matters), I would have returned to a back 4 with 3 midfielders a while ago, be that as a 433 or back to 4231. The reason to move to a back 3 was our lack of depth in midfield and defensive frailties (and supposedly a desire to placate a portion of the squad, depending on if you believe that reporting), when we ran into a poor string of performances after the hot start with 4231.

    Broadly, I believe Fonseca is a better coach than our team is constructed this year. Putting aside personal reasons, just based on performances, I can't justify firing a manager who I believe is getting near the maximum out of the available talent. This squad is closer to Hellas, Lazio and Sassuolo than Juve, Napoli, and Inter. Of sides ahead of us in table, Atalanta and Milan are closer in overall squad talent, but have better peak performers in key positions. So already, based on talent, that puts us fifth, at best. Let's account for some amount of disagreement/variablity/volatility and say we have the 4th best squad, which makes 4-7 our realistic range of outcomes. Where have we been most of the season? Right around 4th. So in my estimation, we're pretty much at our ceiling, meaning Fonseca is extracting the maximum.

    You can quibble about substitutions in certain matches, setups in certain matches, etc. All fair, but in the end, points are points. And getting 5th by beating Milan and Atalanta but losing/drawing to more lower sides is just a different brand of frustrating (one we're more accustomed to).

    I don't buy the Fonseca can't win big games thing. Sure, this year has been bad, but we took points last season with a squad that was, once again, weaker than our CL contenders. So yes, with a fit and back to his best Zaniolo and a competent starting striker (apologies to Mayoral who I think is an admiral backup and rotation striker), we would be much better off. Does that qualify as all good? I don't know, but I see how Fonseca has kept this team going when he has no Zaniolo (our best player and only game-winner), no strikers to speak of, and kids in midfield and central defense who haven't played full seasons worth of minutes at top level before and I think he's more than earned the shot to continue to work with management and evolve the squad.
     
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  12. La Magica

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    Agreed with wolf, youre a good poster on the board. I just think you have this one badly wrong.

    You can quibble about substitutions in certain matches, setups in certain matches, etc. All fair, but in the end, points are points. And getting 5th by beating Milan and Atalanta but losing/drawing to more lower sides is just a different brand of frustrating (one we're more accustomed to).

    This being a major one. Flip the script and its not just quibbling over where points come form. It shows a manager who can out perform a tough opponent with better players. It shows a manager who deserves time because we can then argue with evidence that he's a man who needs better players. If you were arguing for this then I would be beside you. That was Rudi's situation you lumped together with Fonseca who is a different case. Fonseca is there or there abouts in the right position with the squad he has available but that alone should not be enough going ahead given his obvious flaws.
     
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  13. Henchag

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    Aug 26, 2009
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    We cannot go missing CL 2 years in a row with Fonseca, and he gets to keep his job. Can't happen. That's enough chances. Either win EL or improve in the league which I am both doubtful of.
     
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  16. Java65

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    I'm not sure Roma has the type of players to fit Sarri. Maybe he could turn Kluivert, Under and Perez into the wide players he would need.
     
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    He seems to think we do(according to Austini).
     
  18. Java65

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    well, I'm sure he knows better than me what type of players he can use. I'm not opposed to Sarri, I'm just not sure he's a big upgrade.

    Now Allegri, I'd pack Fonseca's bags for Allegri. That said I doubt very much we are going to commit to the type of transfer and wage budget he's going to want.
     
  19. Villar14

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    Sarri wants to come to Rome badly.
     
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    Italian retards worldwide humiliated
     
  21. Haakon24

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    Thoughts on Mourinho if Fonseca gets fired? lol
     
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  23. La Magica

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    Up until last year I was totally opposed to Jose as a manager but I have changed on him. The game hasn't passed him by like some critics are now claiming. The crybaby nature of his social media footballers has caused his biggest issue but that doesn't mean he couldn't build a squad of the right characters again.
     
  24. Vulpinous

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    Nice to see you back Henchag, but I don't think this squad of guys is good enough to get 4th. Not when we have European play.

    If it was just the Serie A, I'd give us a 50/50 shot.
     
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