Paul Gardner: The College Draft...; A Rebuttal

Discussion in 'MLS: Youth & Development' started by PVancouver, Feb 1, 2008.

  1. PVancouver

    PVancouver Member

    Apr 1, 1999
    The College Draft Doesn't Make Much Sense for MLS,
    Paul Gardner, New York Sun, January 28, 2008


    Sorry, this slam of the MLS SuperDraft slides down a slippery slope of slime and certainly deserves a sacking.

    Sure, using colleges as a primary player development tool has its disadvantages, may not be as important to MLS as it is to the NFL or the NBA, and may not be as important in the future as it is now, but that does not make it senseless.


    “Major League Soccer is trying very hard to prove that it belongs up there with the NFL and the NBA as an important pro sport. An important American pro sport, that is. As one way of doing this, the MLS has introduced into its schedule an event that is unknown elsewhere in the worldwide game of soccer: the annual college draft.”

    I don’t believe MLS has a draft in order to prove that it belongs up there with the NFL and the NBA. Major League Lacrosse and the National Lacrosse League have annual entry drafts and they are hardly major league. Gardner might be happy to learn that the United Soccer Leagues recently announced ”the suspension of its annual USL First Division College Player Draft” for 2008, although “following an evaluation process, the draft may return in 2009.”[/b] Still, despite the fact that they call their top league Division 1, they weren’t fooling anyone, and their draft was not intended to fool anyone.


    “Just like the NBA and the NFL? In appearance, yes. In practice, no. Basketball and football have a wealth of talent to pick from, including a select group who can go straight into the professional game as top stars. The situation in soccer is different. There are no college superstars — indeed, the level of the sport in the colleges is so far below the level of the pro game that very few, if any, of the players drafted can expect to join a club as a regular starter.”

    Last year, Maurice Edu, Bakary Soumare, Michael Harrington, Andrew Boyens, and Dane Richards all got a significant number of starts for their club as rookies. It isn’t really fair to compare MLS rookies to NFL rookies because in the NFL there are so many more clubs with twice as many field positions and unlimited substitutions. In the NBA, only two rookies average more than half a game in minutes per game played and only two rookies are scoring more than 10 points per game played. NBA rookies also benefit from unlimited substitutions.

    Why should MLS have any less wealth of talent to pick from than the NFL or the NBA? Even if there is a reason (perhaps American youth soccer players are coddled too much), that is not the fault of the draft.


    ”The shortcomings of college soccer as a breeding ground for professional players have been obvious for decades. The people at MLS are well aware of the problem, but find themselves in a bind. The public relations value of the draft is immense — it goes out live on TV and looks every bit as efficient and meaningful as the NFL and NBA versions. The draft also allows the colleges to feel that they are contributing to the growth of the pro game, and it appears to offer college players a chance of stardom.”

    Wow. I didn’t know the MLS SuperDraft was so popular. Perhaps because my local newspaper never even mentioned it. A local boy was taken in the Supplemental Draft—again no mention—in our small town newspaper. Be that as it may, publicity stunt or not, most MLS players come from US colleges, and the SuperDraft.


    ”But faced with reality, the MLS has been forced to take steps that inevitably downgrade the college game. In 1997, it introduced its Project-40 program, designed to identify the 40 best high school players in the country, and to steer them away from college soccer by offering them special training and scholarship money to ensure their education.”

    As if the NFL and NBA don’t ever take talent early from college. In the NBA, any player who will turn 19 by the end of the calendar year can declare for the draft as long as one NBA season has elapsed since the player graduated from high school. Basically, the player only has to wait one year after they graduate to turn pro, whether or not they attend college. The NBA rapes college basketball every year and yet Gardner doesn’t complain about the NBA draft or the quality of college basketball. By comparison, the quality of college soccer, played at fewer schools, should seem superb.

    The NFL is much more strict, as they only allow college juniors to leave early. If a prospective player enters a football college, he must wait five years after entering college before he can sign as a free agent, unless the college does not have a football program (then it is four years). Such players can apply for special eligibility three years after high school graduation much like college juniors, I can’t say how easily it is granted, but it sure seems to me a rags-to-riches, barely scraping by for a living window of opportunity of football is not quite as open as is currently thought.

    If the NFL follows the same rules for signing foreign players, and I can’t find anything that says they don’t, then perhaps that explains why there are so few foreigners in the NFL. Of the nearly 1,700 players on the 2007 NFL Kickoff Weekend rosters, only 14 were foreign: 11 from Canada, 3 from Australia, and 1 from England. Yes, I am aware that American football is not played in other countries, but I would think that the large amount paid to NFL players would garner someone’s attention. 14 out of 1,700? That really is unbelievable.


    “The MLS is shy about identifying the role of the colleges in its draft, which it grandiosely dubs the SuperDraft — no mention of the colleges, even though that's where virtually all of the players come from....”

    Let’s face it. The MLS is shy about identifying the role of colleges in the draft because pundits like Paul Gardner and people in the soccer business believe, rightly or wrongly, that the American college system is what is holding back the development of American players. I don’t know how Gardner can say that there was “no mention of the colleges” in the MLS SuperDraft. Did Gardner even watch the SuperDraft? You can check it out yourself on MLSnet.com.


    “Project-40 is now a sponsored program called Generation Adidas, but its aim remains that of fast-tracking promising players into MLS, or put another way, of encouraging them to leave college early. Eight of the 14 first-round picks in Baltimore were GA players — six were college underclassmen, the other two were from Bradenton. But the GA factor further undermines the validity of the draft, because with GA players there is a non-playing factor that helps account for them being picked high in the draft. They are attractive to MLS clubs because the salaries of GA players do not count against a club's salary cap.”

    Well, at least GA players still enter the draft. Perhaps the order these players is picked is skewed somewhat, even significantly, but so what? How does having GA players in the draft make the draft itself irrelevant?


    “The SuperDraft, then, is anything but super, and is of increasingly questionable merit.”

    So it is not super because GA players tend to get picked ahead of college seniors? I’m in tears.


    “Signs of its inadequacy surfaced in 2005 when MLS cut the number of rounds to four from six.”

    And added four supplemental rounds, for a total of eight. Nothing gets by Mr. Gardner.


    “MLS coaches will admit — off the record — that they spend little time or money assessing college players.”

    Off the record, MLS coaches are stupid, then. Most of their players come to them from US colleges, via the draft. If they aren’t taking some time to get to know the players they are drafting, they are liable toe make some big mistakes come draft day.


    “A top college coach, asked if he ever noticed MLS coaches scouting players at his games, replied scornfully "Are you kidding? They watch them for a couple of days at the combine, then maybe I'll get a phone call.”

    So Gardner is going to suggest that MLS will suddenly start actively scouring high school age club soccer leagues searching high and low for the next international superstar. I’ll believe it when I see it.


    “The MLS's support of the college game is laudable, but it is unrealistic. The flimsy fiction that college soccer can supply pro-level players cannot be maintained for much longer. Nothing short of radical changes in the college game can alter the outlook.”

    Unrealistic? Flimsy fiction? Radical changes in the college game are required? Then how is it that 89% of American players in MLS spent at least one year in college, with the vast majority of those spending two years or more? Are these not pro-level players? At what level do you have to be in order to be considered “pro”?

    I took a look at the current inventory of MLS players, ignoring the 2008 SuperDraft, and categorized them in the following manner:

    American (184)
    American Non-Collegiate (23)
    Canadian (3)
    Canadian Collegiate (2)
    Canadian Non-Collegiate (10)
    Foreign (52)
    Foreign Collegiate (23)

    The 3 “Canadians” went to Canadian colleges and were not included in any SuperDraft. The “Canadian Collegiates” went to American colleges and thus were draftable.

    So how many Americans, or foreigners who attended American colleges, entered MLS via a draft, representing 78%, 232 of 297, of the league? 192, or 83%, of them did. 65% of the entire league.

    Yet “MLS coaches will admit — off the record — that they spend little time or money assessing college players.” That doesn’t make much sense to me.

    Gardner can argue that MLS doesn’t actually have any pro-level players, and in a certain light, he may be right. It has very view “top-level” players. In fact there are very few top-level American players in any league. But Gardner is complaining that the MLS draft is inappropriate for MLS, not the world’s top-level leagues.


    “As a provider of young talent, college soccer has to be measured not against college basketball and football, but against the youth development programs of top soccer-playing countries in the rest of the world. Those programs involve intensive training and are all controlled by pro clubs.”

    Well, college soccer does not claim to be and has never claimed to be a “provider” of young talent. However, it clearly is a “source” of young talent. Clearly many of the most talented Americans go into the US college soccer system. Gardner seems to be saying that no “pro-level” talent comes out, ostensibly because college programs don’t “involve intensive training controlled by pro clubs”. I guess I would be upset too if all this talent was going in and none was coming out.

    Gardner seems to ignore the fact that much of the superstar talent is identified before the player even reaches college age. Adu, Altidore, Beasley, the three U-17s taken in this year’s draft, just to name a few.

    It isn’t illegal for a player to sign a contract right out of high school with a pro club here in the US. Two signed with Miami FC last year and were sent down to a sister club in Sao Paulo to train. New England signed Miguel Gonzalez a few years ago, and might sign Jose Angulo this year (I admit the rules on these signings are not clear).

    One thing that is clear--overseas programs don’t have to compete with the NCAA.


    “The 20 or so regular-season games played in American colleges are nowhere near enough....”

    Gardner isn’t counting the 20 or so games these players can get with PDL teams. Just exactly how many games per year is “enough”, anyway? Lance Armstrong didn’t develop into the world’s best cyclist simply by entering bike races. Lot’s of folks enter bike races. His training was top notch, and his physiology was superior. What about all the American soccer players that go to Europe and ride the pine? Are they getting enough games? I assume there are quite a few developing Europeans riding the pine in Europe as well. And while he is hardly a developing European, even Polish star Maciej Zurawski can’t get games.

    American youth club teams get plenty of games and travel a lot but do they do any real training? I wonder.


    “It is the NCAA that stands in the way of allowing a nationwide system involving thousands of soccer-devoted people and hundreds of teams with excellent facilities, to help improve the quality of American players....”

    Really? What would Gardner propose that the NCAA do? Drop soccer as a men’s varsity sport? Eliminate all scholarships? I don’t think the NCAA is going to let its players train or play all year with professionals.


    “A recent hint of the coming divorce between the MLS and college soccer came last year when the league announced that each of its clubs is expected to create its own youth development academy. MLS clubs had been dragging their feet on this, for under MLS regulations any starlet that they produced would have to enter the SuperDraft and in all likelihood would be snaffled by a rival club. So the MLS changed its regulations, allowing each club to withhold its best two youngsters from the draft — a move that further erodes the credibility of the draft.”

    So has it been the NCAA been standing in the way of all this progress, or MLS?

    Even if MLS is able to develop significant talent from within its own youth academies, it seems unlikely to me that the NCAA talent spring will dry up completely (barring the draconian measures apparently preferred by Gardner). If MLS were to garner only half of the talent from college that it does now, wouldn’t the draft still have credibility? Wouldn’t it still be a fair way to disperse what talent there is? Even with youth academies, I suspect that more than a few emerging soccer players will continue to hedge their bets on the likelihood that a professional soccer career will pan out. Since professional athletes generally train only two hours a day, it seems to me one can train and attend college simultaneously. Conversely, there is nothing to prevent the athlete from joining a professional club and attending college at the same time.

    MLS already obtains talent from sources other than the college drafts. That doesn’t make the drafts worthless.


    “As the MLS expands, it needs more young players, and it needs better ones. With college talent already stretched beyond its limits, the league must soon face the inevitable conclusion that a draft based almost entirely on college players — as at present — makes no sense.”

    While the draft is based almost entirely on college players MLS does not get all of its players from the draft. In addition to the some young GA players taken in the draft, MLS teams may sign up to six players to the senior roster outside the draft every single year. I believe that means MLS teams can sign any player they want, American or foreign, in college or out of college. While MLS teams are pretty much limited to selecting college players in the draft, they can replace over 33% of their senior rosters with pretty much anyone that they want every single year with discovery picks. There is no requirement that MLS clubs use these picks on international players, although that is usually what they choose to do. In addition, MLS teams have 10 developmental roster spots with no restrictions on how they fill these spots, other than the minimal salary that is paid and the 25-year-old age limitation. An example: Toronto signed 17-year-old Canadian/Nigerian Gabe Gala last April as a developmental player even though he had signed a letter of intent to play at the University of Alabama-Birmingham. While the $13k and $17k that these players make is not a lot of money, it still beats paying to play, which is what they had been doing prior to that point. MLS clubs can loan these players out to affiliated USL clubs if they wish. I don’t believe there is anything to prevent college players from dropping out of college and signing one of these contracts, or a discovery contract, but I could be wrong. If it isn’t college talent that is the problem but college development itself, why aren’t more players opting for this route?


    “But a draft without college players is not feasible.”

    I took a quick look at another American major league sport that has a large influx of international players but also has to deal with the limitations of the NCAA: ice hockey. The NHL has a draft but it is quite different from MLS’. Most of the players drafted do not attend college. A college player does not lose college eligibility even if drafted. The rights to sign a player that does attend college are kept until 30 days after the player graduates. All North Americans that will be 18 by the start of the following season and will be under 21 by the end of the calendar year are eligible. Those that will be 21 or older are free to sign with any NHL club—they are free agents. Non-North Americans can only enter the NHL via the draft, so in effect all that are 18 or over are eligible. There may be important differences between European hockey contracts and international soccer contracts, and FIFA might frown on the NHL’s approach. While a draft not based primarily on college players might not be feasible, it is definitely imaginable.


    “The MLS may well wish to continue the SuperDraft for its publicity value, but it cannot improve its playing standard while relying on college talent.”

    Well, theoretically MLS could do more to improve the training players get before they enter college, and they could do more to instruct college coaches and PDL coaches on how to train college athletes. So I have to disagree with this statement as well.


    “The MLS club academies now look set to take over the main role in the development of American players.”

    I’m ecstatic that the NCAA, which had been holding American soccer back for so long, finally wizened up and saw the light. Now we will get to see what real soccer development is really like! Keep in mind we will be relying on the same MLS clubs who don’t even bother to scout colleges, where they currently obtain 80% of their players.

    Maybe Gardner should note that “Most of these players developed will go to college, they're not all going to be offered professional contracts by any means,'' [Ivan] Gazidis said. “I think the college game will benefit significantly by having an influx of players who were trained by MLS clubs.”

    It is good to see that MLS will work to improve the ability of players entering the college system. Perhaps they will get better players out of it on the other end than they currently do.
     
  2. usbfc

    usbfc New Member

    Sep 8, 2000
    New York City
    What I don't seem to understand is that, even though you're pointing out areas in which Mr. Gardner's facts or reasoning were off, he is still right about what he's saying.

    The college game, while prudent to the game now, will not make American players or the US National Team top contenders on the world stage. In fact, the college game is only prudent because we don't have a proper system of training and equipping players with the tools they need to be world class. It's not just about the number of games in college, it's about the duration of the season and the level of competition. Lengthen the season, improve the coaches, and maybe someday it can readily produce exceptions.

    And if so, the college system may always be able to produce a few diamonds in the rough. You will have the players who push themselves only when they've become more mature and will be able to fight their way into MLS and, perhaps, the national team. But, it will be the exception and not the rule.

    What I also don't understand is why Americans have this inferiority complex. Why would you ignore that the system is different all over the world and works? Why would you defend a system that has proven itself inferior? Why do people take it so personally that the college system (and even current youth system) is not creating the kind of players being produced all over the world?
     
  3. Baysider

    Baysider Member+

    Jul 16, 2004
    Santa Monica
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    What Gardner is saying is that college soccer isn't very good so therefore it doesn't make sense for MLS to have a draft. This doesn't make any logical sense.

    If the argument was that college soccer isn't very good so therefore we need to find other ways of developing talent then I'd have no problem with it. I'd expect everyone to agree with that.

    But what does that have to do with the draft? The reality is that it will take time to develop other sources of players. We will have to rely on college players for the near future. So how do we match players with teams? There are arguments for and against using the draft as an allocation mechanism, but none of them have to do with the quality of players.
     
  4. usbfc

    usbfc New Member

    Sep 8, 2000
    New York City
    You may have a valid point, but I bet if you sat down with Paul and talked about the current state of soccer in America, he would probably admit that the draft does contribute to the current crop of players.

    I may be wrong, but I guess what Paul is doing is trying to accelerate change and the minds of people interested in, or in charge of, the game. And, you don't do that by saying, 'what we have now is serving us for the time being'. You enact change by focusing on the ideal, the ten years - hundred years down the line. Instead of saying, 'well, it's the best system we have', the real movers of society - the great thinkers in history, have often focused on the reasons we need to change and why the current state is poor.

    And, then of course we'll have other people who contribute the more realistic point of view - tempering those facts and ideals with the reality that change doesn't happen overnight and we have to feel good about some things that we do have now. Or else where will we find the confidence to reach a hundred years from now?

    Each person serves his role.
     
  5. deron

    deron New Member

    Jul 25, 2006
    Centennial, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Gardner needs to create some point in his spectrum of analysis. Everything isn't crap v. great.

    Hockey players generally come through Junior Hockey, but low and behold a few kids still find College to be desireable. Even a player like Paul Stastny who comes from a hockey family didn't forego college, and the NHL still holds a draft. I don't think anyone would argue that the NCAA is closer to the NHL, than the NCAA is closer to MLS.

    The NCAA isn't good for soccer, because of the rules, number of games, and the dilution of talent across too many teams. Those things are solveable. Instead of dreaming of a neverland where all players skip college, it would be much more productive to try to rethink the college game.
     
  6. DigzTFC

    DigzTFC Member

    Jul 17, 2007
    Halifax
    A simple rule change could change the spectrum of players all together....

    ALLOW MLS players to be eligible to return to college....so there isn't a risk in trying to be a pro soccer player.

    and/or

    ALLOW foreign players that go through the college system to be counted as domestic players.

    So if a kid wants to start training with an MLS Club at the age of 12 and wants to take his shot at 18-20 he can still go back to college if it doesn't work out. Encouraging more foreigners to join the NCAA ranks will improve the feeder system and increase quality competition.

    Now rip apart my suggestions hahahaha.
     
  7. Beau Dure

    Beau Dure Member+

    May 31, 2000
    Vienna, VA
    The college game could stand a few changes -- I'd like to see an elite-level spring tournament using FIFA rules rather than the handful of offhand, poorly publicized scrimmages -- but I think New England proves the value of scouting the NCAA ranks. ACC, anyway.

    College soccer has a lot to offer. You'll get a better atmosphere for Duke vs. North Carolina than you will for a U-20 game between FC Delco Red and Red Bull. And then there's the prospect of a degree, which 99 percent of these guys will need.

    As a parent, I'll say this -- I wouldn't let my kid give up the college experience just so he'll be a slightly better player at age 22.
     
  8. Stan Collins

    Stan Collins Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Silver Spring, MD
    The thing I found slightly disingenuous is that Gardner never compared soccer to baseball, the one other sport with an elaborate development system and where there has never been a majority of incoming players arriving via college.. . .

    . . . and yet, even there, college plays a role (and among US-born players, I believe the percentage coming from college has never been higher than today). The suspicion is, even if college declines in importance as it apparently must, it won't be nearly as easy to obsolete the college game as Garner writes it up to be.
     
  9. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    Terms are not being defined properly.

    It is not a "College Draft."

    It is a "SuperDraft."

    yes, college players are selected, but so are players from other sources (youth NTs, GA signings, high school, foreign youngsters, anyone not under contract -- yet -- with another club elsewhere).

    It's not a perfect system, but the issue isn't the "Draft", the issues are all the other things that haven't stepped up (or had time to step up) to replace the "function" of what the "SuperDraft" currently does -- provide a reasonable method for "assigning" new players to the members/clubs of a single-entity company (MLS).
     
  10. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    good points, but I'm sure there are some out there who will call you a bad parent.
     
  11. Bluecat82

    Bluecat82 Member+

    Feb 24, 1999
    Minneapolis, MN
    Club:
    Minnesota United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm actually impressed...all those quotes and not one of them contains Paul's Patented Magic Catch Phrase..."Latin player"...

    Could this be the beginning of a spectrum change for Paul? Time will tell...:)

    Seriously, the college game has several limitations which have already been touched upon:

    • Limited funding when compared to the gorilla and the elephant in the room - football and basketball.

      Limited amount of both games and practice time due to NCAA rules.

      Limited amount of schools competing at the D1 level due to financial/legal considerations

    (Again, I point out that the BYU/PDL experiment has been successful on a competitive level at least, if not a developmental one as of yet - I think RSL has had some BYU players in for trial - and wonder why another school currently at the club level - a Minnesota, for example - hasn't taken that step...)

    College will still catch the late bloomer - a Taylor Twellman, for example, who, regardless of what you may think of him on the national level, is still a very, very good soccer player.
     
  12. PVancouver

    PVancouver Member

    Apr 1, 1999
    Twellman was not a late bloomer. He was the runner-up for the Hermann Trophy and the MAC Player of the Year Award in his sophomore season at Maryland. He also had an offer out of high school to play shortstop for the Kansas City Royals.
     
  13. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    By Gardner rules, Superdraft must be flawed, because Latins only make up about 10% of the draft selections each year.

    No, he didn't write that, but you know that's a major reason why Gardner dislikes the Superdraft. Latins good, goalkeepers bad, that would be pretty much the Gardner repertoire -- every column draws on one of those two fundamental concepts.
     
  14. Beau Dure

    Beau Dure Member+

    May 31, 2000
    Vienna, VA
    In here, as in BigSoccer, yes.

    Out there, in the real world, not many. :)
     
  15. Stan Collins

    Stan Collins Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Silver Spring, MD
    At the risk of inviting an angry reaction, I've put this in the Development forum, because I think that's what Gardner is really driving at.
     
  16. Stan Collins

    Stan Collins Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Silver Spring, MD
    And consider the case of Matt Kassel.

    He's got a standing offer from (and verbal commitment to) the University of Maryland. In addition, RBNY is mulling over making him the first "callup" in the Youth Development Initiative.

    Not an easy decision for the Red Bulls, because they know that while he has talent, it's raw, and he's not likely to get much PT that first year.

    And not an easy one for Kassel either, should an offer be made. On the one hand, as mentioned, he might not find a lot of PT, so to an extent, the comparison is between U of M and The Red Bulls reserves. Red Bulls reserves are still better, but Maryland draws more, it affords the chance to be a BMOC (and at a school like Maryland you are that, to an extent, though you're not a star like a basketball player would be), hang out with your buds, and generally grow as a person at the normal rate.

    On the other, there's a paycheck (and it might not be a bad one, depending on what RB wants to offer). There's the chance to train with guys like Altidore and Angel. And there's a faster path to what must be your dream if you're in that position.

    Of course, MLS rules state that if he goes off to college and wants to come out after his freshman year, RBNY still gets first crack. If it were my kid I might suggest giving it a try for a season and if he's dominant coming right out at that point.
     
  17. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    I recall a Brazilian coach saying that until recently, salaries in Brazil were so low that white-collar parents didn't want their children pursuing a professional soccer career. He then explained that if Kaka had been born 20 years earlier, Kaka would not have been a professional footballer.

    An interesting story in that it turned the usual socioeconomic analysis of Brazilian football on its head.

    There may be a bit of that occurring with the MLS Academies; in my informal survey of parents who have players good enough to make an MLS Academy (Fire in this case), several of them have expressed concern that perhaps this is for youths who have fully committed mentally to professional careers, and that's not what they want for their boys.
     
  18. PVancouver

    PVancouver Member

    Apr 1, 1999
    And it is certainly still true for Brazilian women.
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    Apparently New England have found an intriguing use for their Dempsey allocation money.
     
  19. whip

    whip Member

    Aug 5, 2000
    HOUSTON TEXAS
    Is not an inferiority complex it is stupidity and stubborness and there are not too many Americans behind this bullsheet ....MLS is making a big mistake waiting until college to recruit players and what college do is to degrade the quality of the average soccer player
     
  20. whip

    whip Member

    Aug 5, 2000
    HOUSTON TEXAS
    If a kid here in USA is good enough to make few minutes on the mayor team he could be starting within 80.000 to a 100.000 not bad for a kid... .
     
  21. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Say what?
     
  22. SUDano

    SUDano Member+

    Jan 18, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    Just Brainstorming:
    With a Bachelor Degree graduates average $30-40$K a year.
    Offer solid pro prospects (such as M.Kassell) $40K a year with incentives if they supercede expectations and play alot. 3 year contract for 17 Yr old. If it doesn't work they will be 20 year old and can start college then. Partner and get University of Phoenix as a corporate sponser and provide those young players an opportunity to pursue higher education if they make it or they don't.
    If they do succeed a 20 yr old making $70K with those incentives can now negotiate their 2nd contract for $100-$200K or MLS can sell the asset of a very good successful young player. Provides a continuum so both sides Win. Player has an opportunity to improve in a professional environment with s somewhat competetive salary with the ability if they show the skill to either capatalize financially or gain an education moving forward. MLS and the team gets quality young players in professional environment to develop without huge financial expenditures for many who won't make it.
     
  23. MUTINYFAN

    MUTINYFAN Member

    Apr 18, 1999
    Orlando
    I am definitely not a fan of college soccer and do not see 22 and 23 year old 4 year college soccer players as the future of American soccer or keys to the US becoming a world class team.

    H-v, as long as MLS' minimum salary is as low as 18-30K we will continue seeing some players preferring a degree over an earlier and start to their pro career. I think the minimum salary in MLS should be at least 45K, which compares or surpasses the average salary for a typical college graduate. Maybe when that happens, you'll see more players bypassing college soccer or leaving early.
     
  24. Stan Collins

    Stan Collins Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Silver Spring, MD
    http://blog.washingtonpost.com/soccerinsider/2008/02/kassel_on_terps_list.html

    Thought I'd update the Kassel story by sharing this link. Cirovski expects Kassel to go to Maryland, but nothing has been finalized.

    Thought I'd also share my comment on that blog:


    A key rule of the Youth Development Initiative:
    http://web.mlsnet.com/news/mls_even...&content_id=78269&vkey=mlscuppr2006&fext=.jsp

    "Players must be added to an MLS team's Home Grown Player List prior to entering a four-year college, but can maintain their Home Grown Player status during college if registered before entering that institution"

    What that means is a player like Kassel can go to Maryland and, if he dominates, can *THEN* turn pro.

    If I were the Red Bull FO, I would counsel Kassel to go to Maryland and get more development, because frankly U of M is probably a more competitive environment than any week-to-week league he's played in so far, and getting regular PT at Maryland is better than fighting for minutes in the handful of Red Bull reserve matches.

    Red Bull would get a peek at how he adjusts without having to pay him during that time, and then have a player that much more ready for first-team minutes a year from now.

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    To me, this is an advantage of having as flexible a program as the one MLS has designed. You can still have college play a part in your system, almost as if it was a high level youth team.

    And my general thought is that 95% of those who are really ready to turn pro at 18 were ready at 17. You probably 'waste' a lot more time your senior year in high school than your freshman year in college developmentally. At least in your freshman year of college, you're 'playing up' again, with much better competition than your youth club (even if it was an MLS club, at least at this point) provided on a week-to-week basis. In the ACC, you'll usually be up against State ODP players or better at almost every position.

    For a player like Kassel, it was probably only his stints in National Team camps and his training stint with the Red Bulls in the last few weeks that were any better than what Maryland could give him for a season.
     
  25. SUDano

    SUDano Member+

    Jan 18, 2003
    Rochester, NY
     

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