Pato can but not Jozy, Where's the faith?

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by silverlion, Jan 27, 2008.

  1. silverlion

    silverlion Member

    Nov 23, 2001
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I want to hear people's opinion on this: Pato made his debut with AC Milan a few weeks ago and was called up by Brazil for a friendly.

    Pato: 18 Y/O (9/2/1989), 5' 10.5"(179cm), played 26 matches for Internacional of Brazil and score 12 goals, scored 3 goals at the last u20 wc. (Source Wikipedia)

    AC Milan strikers: Gilardino, Inzaghi, Ronaldo, some dude named Willy and Kaká but he's used as a midfielder.

    Jozy: 18 Y/O (11/6/1989), 6'1" (185cm), has played 35 games (started 23) with RB New York and scored 13 goals in all competitions, scored 4 goals at the last u20 WC. (Source metrofanatic.com)

    Real Madrid strikers: Raul, Ruud, Robinho, Soldao, Higuaín and Saviola. The last three get little time in the lineup even though its normal for Real play with 3 up top, so one would argue that they're not important players (except for Higuaín).
     
  2. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Are you asking whether or not Jozy could break into Real's lineup or get minutes for them?

    Didn't Taylor Twellman have a great U-20s?

    On the issue of Jozy he clearly has the physical tools to make the jump to a top 3 Euro-league. Real Madrid though? We'll see.

    In the case of Pato, it's safer to buy Brasilian. Better track record.
     
  3. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    lol @ some dude named Willy
     
  4. Altidore_Adu_Fan

    Sep 30, 2007
    Hammond In
    U no Y because hes American ... he will have his time doe and open doors for future U.S. talents ... something Donovan is afraid to do and should do
     
  5. silverlion

    silverlion Member

    Nov 23, 2001
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You know, I've never thought of it that way. I always saw Donovan's return to MLS as a personal decision that did not reflect US players but I was way off.
     
  6. Aaryque

    Aaryque Member

    Apr 26, 2007
    Norcal
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wonder if a mathematical equation could be devised that would tell us exactly how many posts it takes for any thread, no matter how seemingly unrelated it is, to devolve into a "Donovan is a sissy" or a "Bradley vs. Edu vs. Clark" argument? And maybe it could even predict the likelihood of which of these directions it would take. We could throw in a couple more options as well. ie. "MLS vs Euro development," "Rossi: American or not?" etc.
     
  7. Otergod

    Otergod Member+

    Sep 20, 2007
    indianapolis
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    well donovan was touched on already, and id say you've touched on the rest :D
     
  8. Aaryque

    Aaryque Member

    Apr 26, 2007
    Norcal
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So I suppose the answer is 6 posts then, eh?
     
  9. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    thats what Bianca said.......OH :cool:
     
  10. gmonn

    gmonn Member+

    Dec 8, 2005
    I'd just like to add the words Adu and nepotism and we've said it all in ten posts.
     
  11. fuzzyBunny

    fuzzyBunny Member

    Aug 24, 1999
    Palo Alto CA
    Rossi is an American (11 posts)
     
  12. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    ..........Gooch sucks

    so we got Adu, Jozy, a Rossi quip, neoptism, a gooch sucks quip, AND token sexual innuendo in a matter of twelve posts. That is what you call progress
     
  13. fuzzyBunny

    fuzzyBunny Member

    Aug 24, 1999
    Palo Alto CA
    We need to add all of these into one sentence. This sentence can be added to every thread just to get it out of the way.
     
  14. dub77

    dub77 New Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    in denial
    First page?
     
  15. gmonn

    gmonn Member+

    Dec 8, 2005
    And then we can sign off with "You really are an idiot."
    (not you, fuzzyBunny or PWN(yewu)ED).
     
  16. fuzzyBunny

    fuzzyBunny Member

    Aug 24, 1999
    Palo Alto CA
    Oh yeah, well I think...

    Feilhaber should stay and continue to fight for his job just like Convey did as well as Adu and Bradley (although he got help from nepotism) and not be like the sissy boy Donovan because then he will be a true Yank Abroad unlike Rossi who, like Jozy, will be a true world-class player that does not suck, unlike Gooch.
     
  17. thejuggernaut

    thejuggernaut Member

    Mar 25, 2007
    PA
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    TROLLS, your all a bunch of Trolls; get out of my forum!!! Stop TROLLING!!... I can't believe it took 17 posts :)
     
  18. Altidore_Adu_Fan

    Sep 30, 2007
    Hammond In
    Say Friedel And Howard said the same thing like donovan and never went abroad again u think any body right know will be going for Guzan at 23 ....

    :D
     
  19. Otergod

    Otergod Member+

    Sep 20, 2007
    indianapolis
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    shouldnt we mention the coaching situation?? feels that comes up quite a bit... i mean i know we touched on neoptism, but this was always one of Whip's frequent post

    *clears throat*

    Bob Bradley cannot coach at this level, we need to bring in someone who's not american....
     
  20. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    well played good sir, well played. This is what we're gonna post at the beginning of the Mexico gamethread exactly as follows:

    This is a menu to express your view of the game to save time, bold and italicize as necessary so we dont have to read your bullsh*t :cool:

    Bob Bradley cannot coach at this level
    Bob Bradley is a genius

    Gooch is clumsy and giving up stupid fouls!
    Gooch is absolutely shutting down the middle!

    The only reason Bradley is out there is because of his dad
    Bradley is making life miserable for their midfelders

    Landon Donovan is stagnant, he wouldnt be if he played in europe
    Landon Donovan is the best player on the US squad

    WHY isnt Jozy Altidore starting
    THIS is why Jozy Altidore isnt starting

    WHY is taylor twellman starting
    ..........WHY is taylor twellman starting LOL :p

    Freddy Adu should be starting this game, we need his tactical awareness
    Freddy Adu needs to put on a bit of bulk, he's shoved off the ball too easily

    Feilhaber/Edu/Clark/Adu should be starting in the middle instead of Feilhaber/Edu/Clark/Adu

    Clint Dempsey needs more grit
    Clint Dempsey has found his grit

    Why is Pearce/Bornstein starting above Pearce/Bornstein?

    Rossi is a yank
    Rossi is not a yank
     
  21. tstro15

    tstro15 New Member

    Nov 30, 2007
    Brooklyn, NY
    Nice job guys looked like we hit them all except of course...

    Bobby Convey is a b*tch and needs to stop ducking in walls. :D
     
  22. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    First page!

    What? Too late?
     
  23. fuzzyBunny

    fuzzyBunny Member

    Aug 24, 1999
    Palo Alto CA
    And for the replies...

    You, sir/madam, are an idiot / brilliant soccer-genius just like me.
     
  24. nobody

    nobody Member+

    Jun 20, 2000
    I don't think it is insulting to Jozy to say that its pretty much just common sense that if a guy is the next big thing coming out of Brazil the overwhelming odds are he's gonna be a star. The only question is how big? When have the top handful of talents from Brazil not been serious players? On the other hand, a youngster coming up from the US where exactly ZERO top notch (as in top 4-5 players in the world, at least a couple of whom are generally Brazilian) players have arisen has a whole lot more questions to answer.

    If you're laying your money on the line, you'd have to see the American as way more of a long shot.
     
  25. FCmagic01

    FCmagic01 Member

    Nov 10, 2006
    Real Madrid has a little better front line than AC Milan.....

    otherwise, if Josmer Altidore was sold to AC Milan he could do the same thing Pato has/is doing.
     

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