Passing Mastermind to Tactical Maestro – The Xabi Alonso Era Begins

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  1. Hendrix22

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    #1726 Hendrix22, Nov 10, 2025
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    This is all so unsubstantiated and clearly designed to sell papers, as its always the case with Madrid.

    Xabi was brought to improve things from Carlo. If we wanted a revolution we would have went in a different direction.

    All your (and media) conclusions are made from two matches, as opposed to the other 15 or 16 (not sure how many we played this season). This is as artificial as crisis as I have ever seen, its like people just speaking about negativity and the coach being under fire is the only thing that creates negativity and puts the coach under fire. Nobody knows what else is causing it. Just some kind of pluralistic ignorance imo


    This is a resolved issue. We knew all of this from before. It was a conscious decision that we knew will create problems along the way. We still went with it because we measured the pros and cons and the pros weighed heavier.

    Returning to this every time once in a blue moon god forbid we don't win a match is exhausting. And this is coming from the person that was widely laughed at for saying they would swap Vinicius and Rodrygo with Osimhen and Doku and earn money along the way too.
     
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  2. Ssr9

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    I'm a 100% on Xabi's side in this situation.

    Some players are basically sabotaging him, the first one being Vini.
    He's back to his "he's playing against us" days, and now it's even worse because he thinks he's the best player in the world.

    Looking back, those who said Xabi had been too soft on him for the disrespect were 100% right.
    We still have diva energy on this team and until we get rid of it, we won't win anything.

    It's time for Xabi to go to war....he's been very diplomatic so far but it doesn't work. We need a team.

    Bench and isolate those not with the program and let's improve. Let's invest in the players ready to fight for this jersey.

    I'd rather watch tactically switched on and coachable players like Rodrygo, Franco, Gonzalo and Endrick than this Vini.

    And no, I'm not saying Mbappe had a good game....but the attitude is better..and yes he's 10x the player this Vini is overall (not only looking at the Rayo game).
     
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  3. 4x4s

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    I know that this is a coach that benched a player that missed the team bus in a non public setting, a player more important to that team than Vinicius is to ours, but presented with the idea that he was stood up and humiliated by a player in front of 80.000, he said "nah, i'm just going to let him get away with it".

    You're being completely delusional but it's very on brand to be against the grain on everything and pretend it's because you understand the big picture.

    We practically told the world "you are allowed to call the coach a **** in front of the entire world, during the biggest game in the country".

    This club sways pro player in every way to compete with those with deeper pockets, and unfortunately it's often the coach that has to make compromises.
     
  4. Doni

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    #1729 Doni, Nov 10, 2025
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    I’m not totally sure what Xabi actually wants to do with this team right now though, once everyone is healthy, which is pretty much the case now in midfield and attack. But it does take a bit of time to find that balance as well.

    Which one of Jude and Arda is supposed to be the more deep lying player because there’s moments when they’re both doing the same thing?

    Why is Camavinga being played as a right midfielder? Against Rayo he spent around 10/15 mins as a right winger after Ceballos came on. What’s the thought process there?

    Why is Vini playing like a left midfielder, all the way out wide with minimal movement inside, even when we’re not playing a right winger, which is often the case?

    Why was Fede being asked to play through pain yesterday as a right back, when Trent was ready to come on?

    Where has Fran Garcia gone, who was being reviewed positively in the CWC, despite Carreras looking progressively worse for weeks now (maybe he needs a game off)?

    Why have Gonzalo and Endrick combined shared 30 minutes on the field after one quarter of a season? Whilst Mastantuono receives a lot of minutes as a right winger, despite no ability to get past players out wide with pace.

    I’m sure there’s sound logic behind all these from Xabi but I don’t understand it …
     
  5. 4x4s

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    Certain players have to play. But Xabi knew and understood that, players coming in know and understand that as well.
     
  6. Doni

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    Certain players that you’re thinking of are Mbappe, Vini, Jude, Fede, Tchouameni. These are all players that indeed should play.

    Let’s work to find a balance here as a team.

    Our guys need coaching. Xabi’s assignment isn’t the same as Zidane’s or Carlo’s who had legendary, high IQ players who knew exactly what to do and where.

    Barcelona are running a midfield with Pedri, De Jong, Fermin and make it work on and off the ball better than we do. Our talent pool overall is better I think.
     
  7. 4x4s

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    I think it was misunderstood what i mean. I just think certain players he has to use whether he wants it or not. It was a point that was discussed in Germy before he left, how a person that practically hand picked players by name would do without being able to even name the starting 11 without obstacles. But people from Xabi's circle said he was aware before he even signed.
     
  8. Hendrix22

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    I'm not against the grain on everything, that is a myth that has been proven wrong dozens of times and you know it. Its your flair for the dramatic that as usual exaggerates all these situations. "Humiliated" lol, what is this, Andrew Tate University? Maybe we should dump every coach who had a player express discontent for being subbed off? According to your logic Ancelotti's career should have ended in this very moment:



    Side note: look at how Xabi Alonso reacts. He understands superstar divas better than anyone. He knows this comes with the territory and its just temporary flashes of temper that they have in order to be what they are. Means literally nothing in the big picture, because this is not a dick measuring contest.

    Boy I'm glad hes in charge and not some egomaniacal disciplinarian that would actually make things bad by looking to prove how tough he is. Hope it stays that way and people in charge stay rational when the fanbase is not capable of it and the media desperately wants it like that.


    Prime example. Completely out of touch. Vinicius level awareness. Its a race to the bottom honestly
     
  9. 4x4s

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    You claim we hired Xabi because of his process but we've done everything to the contrary of his process other than sign Huijsen, Franco and Carreras who were per his request. Since then we've undermined a coach who was a strict disciplinarian into "being more flexible" and given him the teamsheet ready to go when he was known of being creative with sitting big names.

    I think in two years it is almost 100% sure that only one of Vinicius or Xabi is in Madrid as anything but an opponent or a spectator. Bookmark this.
     
  10. Hendrix22

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    Xabi was always a more serious and more diligent Ancelotti. Thats why we picked him. His pragmatism at Leverkusen was well known. Why is the fact that he is actually *managing* with caution and not scorched earth suddenly a surprise?

    The undermining youre talking about is nothing except your fetish for punishing Vinicius to look like the tough guy. Other than that there has been literally nothing to suggest any kind of undermining.

    And yes that one or Vinicius or Xabi will not be here in two years is not much of a hot take. I'd be fine with either since that would mean everything has been exhausted at that point. Vinicius is a hothead and has been speculated to leave before Xabi as well. Two years is a lot of time, we're talking about now. Now is the shitstorm people are artificially creating.
     
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  11. 4x4s

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    We're not talking anything of substance here. If this is artificially created, then i guess everybody here is an idiot for not being satisfied with whats presented. Meanwhile you're professor X, doctor xavier and you understand it so much better.
     
  12. Ssr9

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    Ok Mr tough guy with the personal insults.

    My overall point is that this type of behaviour does not lead to winning which is the only thing I'm thinking about.
    To win, you need a team playing together. Vini is the opposite of that and has been for a season and change.
    Bad attitude...doesn't play for his teammates and his performances are not up to standard. Getting the ball and repeatedly running past two players with no end product is not playing well.

    Xabi wants to build a well oiled machine, how can you with this attitude? Bench him.
     
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  13. J-Mezzy

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    Overall

    we haven’t been that much better than last season despite the upgrades to needed positions

    but we were trending upwards before this past week so I guess we will see how we return from the break
     
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  14. Saeta Rubia

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    Read we were 6 points behind Barca this time last season and had lost to Lille, Milan and Liverpool in CL. Start to this season is much better and yes we had Militao, Huijsen and Carreras healthy in defense.
     
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  15. J-Mezzy

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    barcelona is much worse this year no?
     
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  16. 4x4s

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    I think the individual quality guarantees a high floor for this team, but it's hard to point to whatever is creating the frustration currently.
     
  17. PeXXeR

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    I agree with 4x4s we do not look like a unit at all.

    I'm sure most players respect Xabi as he was an amazing player.

    Hustle, discipline and sacrifice should be qualities that every player should have if they don't they should be free to leave.

    Sergio and Pepe would eat this squad alive for how casual and lazy some of them are.
     
  18. libertao

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    4x4s that is some disingenuous BS, you can't throw something like that out there and then when someone sincerely asks you what you're referring to because they haven't seen that, respond with "do your own research." You sound like an anti-vaxxer.
     
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  19. Doni

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    Part of the job when managing Madrid. He has to find a way to integrate these influential players into a system that works.

    I think it’s fair to say without Mbappe being in extremely good form this season, we would be a few points behind Barcelona so far. Of course he’s our star player and it makes sense for him to win us points, but outside of him, Jude (recently) and Arda, no one else inspires any consistent creative action right now.
     
  20. Doni

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    I think they’re pretty much the same tbh.

    And, La Liga teams haven’t really been able to punish them as much as they should be doing imo.
     
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  21. Raul-7

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    #1746 Raul-7, Nov 10, 2025
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    Well it takes time; did Luis Enrique make PSG into a solid team in his first season? No, he identified key areas, sold off those he believed were holding the team back, etc.
     
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  22. Seoul Villan

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    which is why Vinny needs to go.
     
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  23. 4x4s

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    I remember checking on it and the average for a Real Maddid coach is 1,5 years.

    Remember Schuster had a superb domestic season, we played much much better than we did under Capello, then just a year later the team collapsed like a one sided decorated Christmas tree.

    I think people are planing way ahead without considering that short term is regular with this club and long term is a complete exception.
     
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  24. zizouForlife

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    Jun 3, 2008
    Vini carries a a chip on his shoulder


    The whole ballon dor also messed him up and he knows he may never have another chance like that again

    I don’t think he needs punishment per se , but needs reset of his focus .. play to win and to get results , forget about accolades , when u perform ppl will love you and you will win individual awards
     
  25. 4x4s

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    End of the day the same folks that talked about Barca DNA now suddenly say all that extracurricular stuff doesn't matter and it's only winning that matters.

    Good. I guess.
     
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